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garrykeogh:
Hi Alan,
I agree with you fully.  Being of moderate means a fancy molded carbon F3F type ship would mean beans on toast for a few weeks :cry:

I would however go and buy a foamie at the drop of a hat... I am weak, I have had a peep at Phoenix 60" racers already :oops:

Speaking of foamies, have any of you guys ever tried the Weasel or Mini Weasel from California?  We were using these for combat among ourselves and they are fantastic end result for a chunk of white EPP.  Michael Richter, the designer uses totally different root and tip sectons in each panel.  The root is higher performance and the tip is very forgiving...result is a foamie that works superbly from light lift to fully ballasted crazy stuff.  They are a bit fragilse when they are severely assaulted by other combat wings, especially at high speed in mega-lift (don't ask how I know...nice snow storm though) but will out fly most of the others.

Any other good sources for 60" foamies?

Garry

joe:
Here's what i'm going to use.Flys pretty good and is fairly solid.I think :?
http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=56

Fred:
Hi Garry,
Welcome to the forum  :D

Well, if there are people interrested by combat, may be we can add a day on the ISR glide in (the saturday) for people who want to do more combat, 60" and F3F... If interrested...

About the F3F now... Well, for sure, the price of the machines can stop most of the people (800 euros for the cheapest old machines, but an average of 1200 euros is more realistic...), and being a long while ago a proud owner of an Ellipse (still to me, the best glider in the world !  :P ) to do some F3F at " La Madeleine", but like F3A, I don't think that worth the investment except if you are doing this most of your time.
Another thing, it's not easy to find a good slope around here to fly F3F. A good slope for F3F need to be deep and the glider path on the lift. Cliffs and so on are good spot. The slope where the National was held last week end was good too (did some runs with the Destiny, and that was working perfectly.. Sorry Peter, I think we had a close call during one of my turns !  :oops: )
By the way, the French F3F Nationals was last week end.. Pictures are here : http://pierre.rondel.free.fr/images2/quillan_cdf2007/index.htm

There is a new category that has been launched in France recently, and this category is working great !
We've called that the "60 mousse", or "60 foam".
That's a 60" glider category, but with EPP / Foam gliders with strict rules for reinforcing and so on. The Redback is a good example. Cheap, Good speed, Minimum damages, and most important, good fun ! I think, for clubs and so on, that's the category of the future because of all the reasons above. And you don't have a race between the most expensive machines ( I was more in favour of a monotype type race...)
If people are interrested, I can release plans for this category, and I've heard that some kind of foam cutting cnc machines is on the way...   :?:

About combat /race wings, you have combatairmodels.com wings that are really good, and check out eppconcept.free.fr website, and particulary the AZ wings. One of the best around, and for the price...  :clap:

So, people interrested to add a day to the ISR to discuss and try categories ?

Wight:
F3F can be competitive without spending that much. The MiraJ from your part of the world Fred was a fantastic "economic" F3F performer. Wouldn't be a player at top level any more but at club level it'd work out. Anyhow 60" pylon would be much more exciting.. :)

Fred:
True, forgot the Miraj, but that is still around 600 euros a piece.
Note that you can find some old F3F models at around 500 euros. Still too much for me, and finally, like the F3A, that will finish in a race to have the latest and the most expensive toys.

And I agree, in a club environment /use, the 60" normal or foamy is the best ratio fun/money  :D

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