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MACI => Events => Topic started by: rogallo on January 25, 2007, 08:49:57 AM
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Hello everyone,
looking for some input here, Fred, Joe, Aidan et al.
As you all know, never go to a MACI AGM you will end up with a job :(
As Glider sec I have been asked to organise an event for all of us and need a date to run it. Now if it was up to me I would have a week long event in the Isle of Mann, but alas it is going to be run on this fair Isle.
Any thought on a date? Venue (central) and format for the event?
Ralph
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Hiya Ralph.Happy new year!
Personally I'd say Limerick makes sence again.It's central,has most wind directions covered,easy access,spectacular views and very friendly people.Had a quick flight there just after christmas and the site looks great!
Would say more fun orientated rather than competition would be best to get people on the slope, scale section(judged by the scale pilots),slope race,combat like last year makes sense.With plenty of open time for people to fly whatever they want!
It might be worth talking to a local club about the potential of aero-towing if there was no wind?
As far as dates are concerned.I know Retroplane is the 7 and 8 of July so if we could avoid that that would good.
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Hi There,
Agreed with Joe.
Limerick (Hey Gerry, if you are around...) sound like it's in the middle of everywhere. But Isle of Mann sound even better ! I'm in ! :P
For the date, same, avoid the first week of July (Retroplane !!! :D :D ), but I think it must be run for a week end (2days)
For the event format.. Well, we can have a scale National, in a promotion format. That mean 2 categories, vintage / modern, and judged by the pilots.
For the other categories, you just need to be carefull not to transform the National to a big Fly-in. Can be nice too, but I think we need this year event as a category promotion, to have a better definition of the glider category in the MACI.
Just thinking of a national with combat.. More a fun fly category, and may not have his space in a National, and that may be confusing at the end about what this National is about.
I will go for Scale, Race and Aerobatics, and stick to these categories. But we can have a combat in a break ! :D Banzaiiii !!
All categories judges by pilots, in a friendly contest, but at least, that can be a good base for 2008 and a "real" National (meaning with Judges, paperwork and so on... :P )
Hope I'm clear and that will help you a bit.
Fred
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That format seems fine to me. But about slope racing. What kind of gilders would be allowed. Would it be 60" gliders only, or F3F etc. Some people may like to take part but may not have the right gilder. I for one don't have any racing gliders, at least not yet :D . But it doesn't realy matter to me, I'll proably only take part in scale anyway. That is if I have my K8 built by then :D .
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Hi Alan,
About the slope racing, I think we can do a kind of open category with what will be on site.
Foamies, 60", F3F machines and so on...
I have a Flying wing if you want to participate.. I have my Destiny.. So, we can find a way ! :D
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I take your point on the fun-fly factor.Maybe save the combat for after the main event.What would aerobatics involve?
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Hi Joe,
The organisators just need to create a program with coef notes...
Can be a known or not known program (or both), totally depend of the CD.
The known program can be revealed well before the event, allowing people to have time for training.
The notes can be given by the pilots of other categories, judges, public or else.
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Hi there,
Was thinking this morning (yes, that happen sometimes ! :P ) what about a PSS category instead of combat ?
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Would there be enough PSS models to enter?? be nice to encourage that as a category.I be in :D
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Please remember we are all the organisers.
Any CD's here?
Please note a few items,
1)competition seems to be fading at the moment. it tends to be cyclical though!
2)Competition require more people than a funfly!
3) Specific models......
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5) so on and so forth, so everyone must be prepared to do some work.
Any takers?
Ralph
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:oops: Ooops, sorry Ralph, I was thinking we were talking of a National (Contest for me).
So, if it's a Funfly (or kind of), you can do whatever categories you want, I'll try to participate to all of them ! :D Going to be a busy day !
And I stick to the Limerick location as a central one.
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We still could have a kind of a competition, such as best scale model voted by the people that are there etc.
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Well, I need to make some sort of proposal to the MACI.
I need a show of hands here adn then I must phone everyone else and make a decision. Remeber if you want competition you must be able to provide for the competition, ie names for judges, a venue for a judging course, a qualified Contest Director (helping to run a WC does not count!).
I still don't know if you want a funfly event (easier to organise and no-one gets killed) or formal competitons (1 and a half in favour)
3 basic comps would be (in order of requirements)
epp combat, pilot/judges event, no special training for officals.
Scale, requires judges, requires training of some degree
Racing, requires, time keepers, and a course to be set up.
Funfly event, all feel welcome, no pressure on anyone to do anything but fly and have fun!
Gentlemen
The choice is yours!
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Well... You can also feel welcome in competitions, having fun and so on.. :D
Anyway, if there is a fun fly, I will participate.
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Fred, I know people feel welcome at competitions, but more people will travel to a less formal event, this has been my experience here.
I will help with a competition but do not want all the responsibilities of running it as has happened in the past. :cry:
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Maybe it should just be run as a funfly for a few years and then later, if enough people are interested and we can get enough people to organise it, it could be run as a cometition.
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I agree with you Alan in one way, but the pb will certainly be the same in a few years.. I think, we'll need to go for it. It's a hobby, we are not here to make numbers. If people want to come and join, nice, we can have fun. If they don't want, well, the ones who are flying may certainly don't care anyway that there is 3 or 100 participants.
And the pb for the funfly will be the same.. If people are much more interrested in fun fly, and they are that easy to organise, why do we have only one every year ? (Cork Glide in).
So, I don't think the people interrest is a pb.
An event well advertised can make numbers if that's really what is needed.
And talking about competitions, I don't think hardcore competition, but more friendly one (ok ok, for now.. In a few years, when we will have lots of gliders guys, that may change ! :P )
That's why, I really think that we should go for it.. Whatever is happening. It's a hobby...
So, that's just my point of view of the thing, no offence to anyone.
Fred
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Okay how about a date? I was thinking the first week of June 2nd 3rd?
Killaloe,( Graves of the leinstermen)
Oh and unoffically there will be a flyin in Jackies club on the last weekend of June with Jackie driving the Tug for aerotows.
Ralph
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Hiya Ralph.I've been following the thread but haven't had a chance to reply.Am away at the moment.
I understand that to have MACI support for a national competition that it needs to be run in an offical capacity i.e. judges/contest director(like aerobatic/scale comps) and thats a lot of work.
How about incorporating both comp and funfly in a national glider meeting?.
The main bulk of the event would be for people to come and fly and hang out and a portion of the day would be to display the competition categories in an fun/friendly comp.Promoting the competition element and encouraging people to get involved next year.All with a view to having an offical comp at some stage down the road.
The scale can be judged by the participants.I would be happy to help with the race timing/course as i'm sure others would too.
Lots of fun friendly comp stuff can be done too like combat,spot landing etc..but that the categories that are being promoted be given a definite time slot in the day.
What do ya think?
As far as the date is concerned.We (ISR) were going to plan a glide-in for that weekend june2-3.If that date makes the most sense for everyone, we can probably move ours to later in the summer.
Oh and where is jackies club? Sounds good!
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Joe,
thanks for the reply, I have been trying to drum up support for "AN" event.
It can be a competition or a funfly. I am just trying to say "I am not doing all the work!" :cry: I have run a copuple of events before and from past experience it requires a lot more people to run a competition than a funfly event. I have asked for helpers, judges, cd's to step forward and take up the challenge but alas (as usual) little or no response.
It is fine to say that the scale can be judged by flyers but there needs to be some sort of formal training as to what a 10 is and what a 6 is. Otherwise the competitors do not know what exactly the judge is looking for?
Thanks for the offer of help but I am looking for people to run each class. I am the glider sec (pressed ganged in to the job again!) and am suppose to coordinate and promote gliding, it is up to the greater unwashed, including all of us, to do this.
No simple answers, I think that more people need to be involved in this discussion but even with all the members here on this site I still think we do not have enough people to run the event.
Basically COMP'S ARE A BIG COMMITMENT!
Jack is based in Cork :lol:
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Think you are misunderstanding me a bit there Ralph.I was suggesting the categories are incorporated into the funfly.And run in a lose fashion.Surely someone who has built a vintage glider or even a modern artf can see how much work has gone into a glider and if they have to fly certain maneuvers for the fun-comp they can see if someone has flown those same maneuvers well.Plus it's just a bit of fun and if someone is a little vague in what is a 10 and what is a 5 not to worry.the point is to have the basis of a fun-comp so that is might encourage people to try it in the future!
Chances are we're not talking about large amounts of people here.Not sure how many were there last year.Even with twice that, it's not a lot of people for each category.
I'm sure it could be good and not a huge amount of work!
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Joe,
I understand fully what you are saying, I just don't hear anyone saying "I will run the scale comp or the racing" just lots of I will help.
I know what you are saying and yes it does take a lot of work. Trust me I ran the nationals last year, 15 flyers and no one interested in competition.
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Will get back to you Ralph.In the middle of something right now.
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Hi guys,
a lot of I will help is still better than nothing.. So my I will help count for nothing ? Sorry, just taking the piss here... :P
So, last year, no one was interrested in competition ?
Fair enough.. So, that mean that they all were interrested in fun fly so ?
And that's certainly why there is so many funfly in glider in Ireland, and when there is one, you only see the same bunch of guys (but we have fun ! :D )
I think, if you start to listen to people, nothing will be done.
Competition --> what for ?
Fun fly --> Do I have to drive ?
and so on...
Organise something, advertise it, and people will come.
As I said, this is a hobby, so you (we) should go for it (competition / funfly etc tec) and that's it.
We (at least not me) are not here to make numbers in an event... If the MACI only see numbers, they don't have a clue what's going on, and that's certainly not the aim of a council !
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A lot of I will help is not better than nothing, because if there are no "Chiefs" the "Indians" won't know what to do!
Any one want to RUN a class?
Fred, this is not a MACI objection to running an event, as a matter of fact the MACI Chairman wants a competition, I am not willing to run one again as I have seen a general lack of interest.
I am saying and have been saying from the start, if you want a competition then run it. I will help to sort out the MACI red tape, judges etc, but we need firm commitment now from people.
As I said I have run comps, have been a CD, and was assistant event manager for the WC in 2001 and know that to run an event successfully you need lots of people.
I just dont want to be the person left organising the event. I would love to just arrive and participate for a change. :D
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Anyhow, I am suggesting the 6th of May up in the graves for the "National event"
Does this suit?
Ralph
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Hi Ralph,
Around this date, Joe is waiting for a happy event :D
Fine with me, but Joe might not be able to leave the house :wink:
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Hiya Ralph.
Yeah as Fred said, my better half is expecting a baby about then.So i probably won't venture too far!
Not to worry! I'll make it next time!
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:D :D . Congratulations Joe. Now you will have someone extra to teach how to fly :) (that is when you are not teaching other people in the club to Fly).
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Thanks very much Alan! :D :D
I'm not the only one in this club expecting :wink:
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What do you mean :D . Well I'm expecting Ka8b :lol:
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Thanks very much Alan! :D :D
I'm not the only one in this club expecting :wink:
I understand what you mean now Joe. :D :D :wink: :wink:
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Why not make it a "scale and funfly"?
I.e. there is a scale "comp" but anyone can show up and get some flying on the day. Scalies tend to inspire people to get into gliding more anyhow, so if you got 15 people and 7 had scale models, chances are there'd be 10 people with scale models the next year.
Keep it informal for the first few years, just have a "pilot's choice" award for best model. (Yes, it'll probably be a glass slipper so Fred's Opel has no chance in that scenario, but we're not taking this all serious, right?) If it built momentum you could always start to do the "judge from a circle" bit.
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Exactly, I think both can be mixed, but the thing is to define how far you can go with the Funfly part.
I still think that if funfly was interresting people, we will see more people at those funfly event. Look at the Cork one.. Scale, Fun, and so on are mixed in a fun for all event, but every year, we always have (ok almost) the same bunch of people. I don't mind, we really have fun (and Ralph mother's cakes are a must ! :D ), so that's why, I'll go more for a real National, knowing already that a funfly will don't change people mind about the meeting anyway.
For the scale thing, I know that people who present vintage gliders from kits or own design don't stand a chance against all fiberglass kits from shop...
I think we call that the CB syndrome :wink: But that's another story :P
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Just checking who is going to the Graves for the 6th of May? trying to organise cakes and tea/coffee.
Any takers?
Ralph
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Hi Ralph,
Count me in ! Any categories !
Speaking for Joe, I think he is coming too.
Anybody else from the ISR ?
Quick question... Is it possible to have a map / access plan for the slope ?
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Fred,
all I can say is that we meet at Goosers bar in the town and go from there. Are you planning on going weekend or the day?
p.s. you missed a great day, thought the wind was suppose to be very light!
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I'll certainly go for the week end.. Not sure yet, that will depend of wife / baby :wink:
Yep, Chris said that was a really good day. Missed that one ! :cry:
Any pictures ?
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yeah a few pics, where will I email them? Keep in touch, I would not mind a weekend away instead of just the one day!
Ralph
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You can send me the pics here : fred@gliderireland.net and I'll put them on the forum.
I will not mind a week end away too !! :P :P We'll see, I'll let you know my plans.
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I have it marked on my Calander. If all goes all right I should be there, hopefully.
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Cool Alan ! :D :D
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I also hope to be there - just a day trip for me I think, but looking forward to it. Fred - many congratulations on the new baby - great news.
Peter
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Thanks Peter :D
So, looks like we are going to be well representated ! :clap: :clap:
So far, I go for the week end... We'll see next week if I can confirm that. :?:
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DIRECTIONS
From Limerick To Birdhill
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=-950000&Y=6890000&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=mercator&db=&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=&zm=0&out.x=5&out.y=10&scale=100000
From Birdhill
http://www.multimap.com/map/browse.cgi?client=public&X=-945000&Y=6911250&width=700&height=400&gride=&gridn=&srec=0&coordsys=mercator&db=&addr1=&addr2=&addr3=&pc=&advanced=&local=&localinfosel=&kw=&inmap=&table=&ovtype=&keepicon=&zm=0&out.x=7&out.y=7&scale=50000
See you at Goosers between 9.00 and 9.30 a.m.
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Thanks Ralph ! :D
Goosers is the name of a place or a pub (or else) in Birdhill ?
So far, I'm ok for the 2 days ! :D hope to be able to try the slope on Saturday.
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Goosers is the first pub in the town on the way into Ballina, Please note I keep refering to Killaloe, so no one ends up in the other Ballina!!!
ralph
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Hi there,
Ralph, I'm not sure if you are coming for the 2 days ? :?:
I may have to change my plans and come only on Sunday :(
I will leave Dublin early... Someone from the ISR need a lift ?
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Looking at the long range weather forcast it looks like the wind will be coming from the east again :roll: :!: . Whats happening with the weather. Dont remember there been so may easterly winds before, especialy at this time of year. Is there any good east slopes at Killaloe? I have an OS map of the area but have not looked at it in detail yet.
Edit: just to be clear we are meeting in Killaloe, not Ballina right.
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Hi Alan,
Why not meet in the pub at Birdhill ?
Ralph, is it the meeting point for everybody ?
So, I'll be there early, we can have a coffee :D
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Hi Guys
I'll be there!
:D Chris
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That's a good news Chris !
We are finally going to meet !
So, we are going to be at least 5 from the ISR :D :D
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Okay, wind looks like westerly of some sort so the main site on the Graves is fine for this. If it turns out Easterly, Ger Buckley (Limerick) has given me directions to another site.
Goosers is the meeting place as it has been circulated from the start, we meet there last year and a change of meeting venue will only confuse.
I will bring tea and coffee, please bring a mug to drink from and a tea spoon!
I think my valentia Dragon should be finished, me S2G fox and the topmodel Ventus, so will be a busy day.
Looking forward to seeing everone
Ralph
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Thanks a lot Ralph for the info.
So, I will be at the Goosers pub early in the morning (before 9am) if some of you are already there :D
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Ok. I'll be there as early as I can. Just to be clear is Goosers in Killaloe. I don't want to go to wrong village. It does'nt matter realy. I have a OS map of the area and I think I know where the slopes are. The Graves of the Leinster Men, I think thats the place if the wind is in a westerly direction.
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Alan,
if you tell someone to go to Ballina you end up in co. Mayo, however there is in Fact 2 Ballinas in Ireland. Goosers is in Ballina, Co. Clare but it is just easier to refer to the town as Killaloe (which is the town on the farside of the river) You are right to be looking for Killaloe (lovely and confusing???)
See you all on Sunday
Ralph
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OK thanks. I'll try to meet you guys there :D :D . I'll be there probably between 9.30am and 10am.
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Lads,
turn left after Birdhill down the road signposted for Killaloe.Ballina. in the first town you get to look for Goosers pub on the RHS.
Ring me if you get lost :roll:
Ralph
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Ring me if you get lost :roll:Ralph
This is all very confusing. :D :D :wink: :wink:
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That's what I was about to say :P :D
So, everyone, please refer to Ralph Last post ! And Alan, stop get people confused, I know it's you ! :P
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:P :P :P
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Ralph you mean turn left after Birdhill when your coming from Cork right? You should turn right before you get to Birdhill when your coming from Dublin.Or at least that was the way I went last time!
Does this make things even more confusing :?: :?:
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No More confusions ! :D
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Fred/map.jpg)
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:D :D :D
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Look Maybe we should just have it in Cork, everyone knows where that is???
I can arrange Visa's for those inside the Pale :!: :!: :!:
Thanks Fred, a picture is certainly worth a couple of words here :clap:
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Cork. Where is that. :D :D :wink:
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I think my valentia Dragon should be finished
Ralph
Ralh, I've just ordered a "Dragonfly Strong" (3.5m)! Is that the one you have, or is it the 3.45m "Dragonfly" with semi-transparent wings?
:D Chris
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Er, Fred, must we also follow the red arrows to Dublin and to Limerick?? :lol:
Just messing, and trying to confuse the issue!
Chris
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Chris, it is a Dragon, Full F3B machine, makes tea and everything :lol:
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Weather does not look to bad for Sunday, sunshine and showers I think. The wind is coming from the right direction, but the predictions of its speed keeps changing. First is force 4, then it goes to 3, then back to 4. Guess we'll have to wait till Sunday to see.
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Chris, it is a Dragon, Full F3B machine, makes tea and everything :lol:
Hot and cold running girls, all mod cons? :D
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Hello all.
I can't make it tomorrow.My better half is very pregnant and due any day now! I wouldn't feel comforable going that far away from home.It would be just my luck for her to go into labour when i'm the far side of the country! :shock:
Hope you all have a brilliant day.Lots of good flights and safe landings.
Have Fun :D
J
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We'll take lots of photos for you :D :D .
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Hello there,
Live from the slope !
Well, after a good start, it's now raining a lot... Wait and see !
And still waiting for Alan, lost somewhere !
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Well... Still pouring rain... But we've find Alan !
Wait and see
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Yes I got Lost :oops: :oops: . I forgot my map. Got lots of flying done though, NOT. :D :D. I hope the weather is better for the ISR Fly-In.
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Hi Fred. Did you have a Laptop computer with you. How did you post messages from the slope?
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Well, things got a bit damp and all, but it was still great crack (I was very lucky though, I was one of the first to launch, and so got two long flights in before the weather deteriorated).
Thanks very much to Ralph and all for the organisation of the event :clap: :D
:) Chris
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Hi Fred. Did you have a Laptop computer with you. How did you post messages from the slope?
:D Let's say that I have all Internet in my pocket ! :?:
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Well, I finally dried ! I'm with Kris to congratulate Ralph for the event :clap:
So, here are some pictures, not a lot, cameras don't like the rain ! :wink:
So, here we go ! :
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Everybody (well, almost ! :wink: ) has arrived.
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Ralph's Dragon
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Kris on it's way to the slope with his easyglider from Windrider
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The first bunch of pilots at the slope.
Peter at the back, Kris in the middle and... Ooopps, forgot his name :oops: :oops:
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Kris in a pure fashion pilot's style ! :D :D
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Ralph and the Dragon.
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Note the view on the river Shannon ! :shock:
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(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Fred/DSCF2310.JPG)
My Destiny and Peter's PSS (looks like a Macchi..) Launch of the PSS a bit dodgey with the wind, but after a touch and go just after the launch, Peter managed to get it in the air without a scratch ! :D
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Halloween
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A "few" models at the slope :D
Well, after that...
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Rain !
That did not stop 2 or 3 guys to fly anyway ! :D :clap: :clap:
And we call up the day at around 2 pm.