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Gliders => Slope Soaring => Topic started by: Fred on July 27, 2006, 08:44:39 AM
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Hi there,
With Joe, we are thinking of creating a glider club. I said Dublin but that can be anywhere else, as the main objective is to have a 100% glider club (and electrics... Ok, a silent flight club so.. :D ) in Ireland.
With a club, we can organize meetings and so on... And why paying a licence + club fees in a plane club when you are not using the plane infrastructures ? (ok, only for slope soaring...)
Anyone interrested to join ? Any ideas on how to develop the.. idea ?
:wink:
Fred
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I would love to join. I perfer gilders any way. Not that there is anything wrong with power planes.
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Hey Alan,
Good news ! :D Any ideas for a club name ? :D Tried to find one with Joe.. and seems not to be an easy task :lol:
Just remember that "The Penguin flying club" is not an option ! :lol:
Nothing wrong with me with the power planes, just a question of fees for using something you are not using.
The club fees will be the licence only... Slope soaring is free ! :D
But we will have an organize structure to talk with city councils, Maci, other clubs and so on...
Fred
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I heard of an organisation in calfornia called the "Inland Sloping Rebels". Maybe we should call ourselfs the Dublin Sloping Rebels, or The Leinster Sloping Rebels since not every one is from Dublin. Or may be The Lenster Soaring Rebels since we may not all fly from slopes. OK I've gone a bit mad here :lol: .
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:D :D
I like this rebel thing !
Can be cool to have something like "Ireland Sloping Rebels" :lol:
More unusual and funny than Dublin / Leinster / Ireland gliding club !
And we will need a logo aswell !
Continue to go mad Alan, sound good to me ! :D :D
Fred
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hiya lads.
sorry i haven't been posting for a while.a bit busy there!
ISR Inland Slope Rebels looks like a great club.check out there mag.very good Ezine.a few of their members produce PSS kits aswell.
Ireland Slope Rebels sound pretty good to me too.a bit cheeky! pinchin the name.
Island Slope Rebels i like even more!
other than that is the usual raptors,harrier,merlin,bussard,osprey soaring club
i like ISR a lot more though!
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Hey Joe,
Island Slope Rebels looks like a good name for me !
We need to vote, but I think we have a winner here ! :D
Everybody agreed with ISR or have another idea ?
In the mean time, we are only 3 so far, so, that will be easy... :lol:
Fred
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I think Island Slope Rebels is OK. But I think Ireland or Irish Slope Rebels is better in my opinion. We do live in Ireland after all. Go Ireland :D .
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Hi Alan,
Right, but the pb will be with the MACI...
They don't want a club name name that may think we represent Ireland... :shock:
Fred
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thats the reason i said Island instead of Ireland.although i do think Island sounds better :P
It's a bit cheeky robbing their name (well almost!) do you think we should ask them if they mind? maybe we should go for it first and contact them later!
the ISR name kinda leaves out the thermal and electric side of things.i don't think this is a problem.we can make it clear that we are a silent flight club in club info/website.90% of our flying is slope anyway as far as i can see!
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True.. We are rebels now no ? :D :D
The only pb with the Ireland thing in the name, is that the MACI, will not allow us to join if we keep Ireland in the name...
Completely stupid considering what the MACI is doing for slope soaring, but that's the rule...
So, we need a logo now ! :D
Fred
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The MACI will not allow use to join if we have Ireland in our name :?: . Thats realy stupid. What about the Lenister Sloping Rebels, LSR, since most of the slopes we use are in Lenister.
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the slopes WE fly are in Leinster.there are great slopes around the country too.a lot of them better than the ones in Leinster i'd say.they are are flown by people we might like in the club and might want to join.slopers in Sligo may feel a bit funny about joining the Leinster Slope Rebels!
I personally don't see the need to have a geographical reference in the name.but thats just my two pennce worth :P
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Your right. I agree. But I would like to indicate to the world that we are from Ireland :D . How about Celtic Soaring Rebels.
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Yep, quiet agree with Joe. I think the goal is to have a "silent" club for everybody.
Something to federate (?) all the pilots over Ireland who wants to be insured, but do not use the usual MACI club type infrastructures (like the slope guys..)
So, I think, no need for a particular geographical reference in the name (ok ok, I'm French, so, I don't have any "Irish / County motherland" things in my blood :P :P )
Fred
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Celtic Slope Rebels :D
Fred
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please not Celtic....... :cry: maybe it's just me but anything new with the word celtic in it gives me the willies! always sounds like someone trying to sell something or american irish :twisted: Celtic Tenors for exampl (arse!).
Please! Please! i don't mind any other name(and usually i'd say it's just a name it doesn't mather that much),but not Celtic....!!! i'm begging please :cry: :cry:
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i'm not down on your names Alan (sorry if it looks that way).just that Celtic .... gives me the FEAR :? :?
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Rangers Slope Rebels so ? :D
Fred
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OUCH!! Cheeky!!! :twisted: :twisted: :D :D
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:lol: :lol: :lol:
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OK how about Gaelic Soaring Rebels, GSR (not sure if Gaelic is spelt right). But I'm starting to run ot of ideas now.
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Garlic soaring rebels ? :lol:
Ok ok, I stop with all those really bad jokes now ! :oops:
Fred
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:D :D :D :D :D
very good!!
i don't mind Gaelic.
Gaelic Soaring Club (does that work fo Galls too?)
Island Slope Rebels
are my favorites!
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Garlic soaring rebels ? :lol:
Ok ok, I stop with all those really bad jokes now ! :oops:
Fred
:lol: :lol:
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Ok, so, we have to vote now !
Or someone have another idea... Just to get more confused ! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
Fred
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hello all how about shamrock soarers but i think the gaelic soaring club is the best one.
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Shamrock, Cool. I never thought of that.
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So how about Shamrock Soaring Rebels (SSR) then, cortesy of Jay.
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another one could be emerald soaring rebels.let us know what ye decide its time to finish work here thank god i plan on going up to the slopes tomorrow with the skyline and the weekend if anybody needs a lift feel free to ask i live in inchicore area
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In my opion I think Shamrock Soaring Rebels and Emerald Soaring Rebels are the best options so far. What does everyone elese think?
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Sound cool to me (both)
But what is an Emerald ?
Sorry for my lack or Irish culture, but we can talk wine anytime ! :lol:
Fred
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Why are we trying to tag "rebels" onto all the suggested names?
I'm not crazy about the rebels idea myself.
Of course we could go with something humourous or simple like:
Chilly fingers
Dublin Slopers (anyone doing dynamic soaring will like the initials!)
Hillside throwers
Slope surfers
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Sound cool to me (both)
But what is an Emerald ?
Sorry for my lack or Irish culture, but we can talk wine anytime ! :lol:
Fred
An emerald is green coloured joule, and people call Ireland the emerald isle because, well, because its green :D .
As for "Rebel". If people are not happy with it we could change it to association. Shamrock Soaring Association (SSA), Emerald Soaring Association (ESA) :) .
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Thanks Alan.
I think I like the rebel thing in the name.
Just to remember that we are not doing things in the normal way, but a more efficient / friendly / cheaper way.
Really hard to me to express that, and I don't know if I'm clear here.
I think about it and come back later ! Wink
Fred
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Island Soaring Rebels is OK with me Fred. Do you think we should have a vote on it now.
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Lads, firstly sorry for joining the topic late but I would like to point out a few things.
Firstly I would like to applaude Fred for a wonderful site and for stirring things up in the gliding community here.
I have only been flying for 19 years now (not a long time compared to my other friends in Cork) and have seen many things happen within the MACI, I have been glider sec several times within the 19 years.
MACI is of huge importance to ALL flyers in Ireland!
Yes MACI has rules but they are to promote and protect its members and their interests. The reason the world Ireland is not encouraged (not banned, I might add) is because a group (jets if I remember correctly) presented themselves as the offical Irish Aero Club group for an international competition. These people were not chosen by anyone other than themselves to represent Ireland at this event.
MACI offers many things to ALL of it's members.
1) Insurance cover this is the most obvious one we all see.
2) Representation to govenrment bodies seeking funding for the development of this sport.
3) Representation to govenrment bodies seeking new frequncies for its members to operate on. note he have another 5or six legal channels to operat on.
4)Representation to govenrment bodies on committees with regard to legislation concerning our use of the air.
I could go on and on but I wont, I realise that it appears they are a bunch of old fogies but in reality they are our representatives, we put them their and we are responsible for their action/inaction.
If we are really interested in promoting our activities to all, we all need to unify and work together.
I suggest that all ISR members should join the MACI, come to the MACI AGM in November and get someone elected who will represent you at nationl level.
Recently we had a glider towing session, but I was afraid to contact anyone here as MACI insurance is a prerequisite for all events in Ireland.
To date the Clubs have looked the other way with regard to insurance, but now I feel all flyers need insurance. Insurance from other flying bodies are not suitable for flying in Ireland, i.e. if you are resident (for a period of more than 6 months) in Ireland you need Insurance that is based in Ireland.
The Cork model Aero club intends to host an aerotow and winching day over the next few months so if you are interested you are welcome but please MACI Insurance.
Before you all fall asleep one more little thing ISR is not the only gliding club in Ireland, the original rebels were the Association of Southern Soarers were here first! (long story but mail me if you want to know about it)
Please I hope that this does not insult or aggrivate anyone it it just I feel strongly about safe flying in Ireland, hopefully this will generate some useful debate on these important topics.
Clear skies and good winds
Ralph McCarthy
Cork Model Aero Club
Association of Southern Soarers (ASS)
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Hey Ralph,
Happy to read from you !
To be honest with you, the main goal of having a glider club over here is to have the MACI insurance and regroups all glider guys that are actually flying without insurance / alone in their corner (whatever the reason of this choice..)
After that, the name.. personally, I don't really care if that represent Ireland or not.. I'm not even Irish.. :wink:
No really, it's to fly insured, and that open the gate to organize events...
But flying uninsured does not mean that I'm not flying safely...
And by the way, In the ISR, I'm the only one without Irish insurance (yet..). My FFAM covers me in Ireland even if I stay more than 6 month here (confirmed to me this summer during the Retroplane meeting by a Federation official..) But here is not the Pb anyway...
So yes, as soon as the club is official to the MACI, we will go to the maci meetings and try to represent the glider community interest the best we can... It's also part of the job
That's why I totally agrre to unify and join our actions, that was the plan from the start.
The main pb I think here, is the serious lack of communication between clubs and the flyers all over Ireland... To be the first, I don't really care too...Another 100% silent club exist in Ireland... Good, but Where.. Never ever heard of them... So, they did not exist for everybody else... And that's the problem.. And unfortunately, not only in Ireland...
Gliderireland web site, that's around 600 single connection a day and around 1400 pages read.. I receive contacts from all over the world about flying in Ireland, meet people on the slope and so on... Now, we are joining forces with the guys in Mount Leinster, we start to have contacts with the handglider community, we are talking of a Retroplane Ireland, a Eurotour... That's communication... And at least, from my point of view, things are moving slowly, but surely. The most important things now, is to make strong bases, and hope to join your effort as well on this way.
But that's just the beginning, and I'm of course open to everything !
Damn it, my fingers hurts ! :lol:
Fred
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And if other guys want to debate with us, please do !
Fred