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Gliders => Scale => Topic started by: andrew wallace on January 23, 2011, 14:45:49 PM
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here we go this is the cliff charlesworth ASK-13 and i got the lazer cut parts from model activity press
started on friday and made the keel out of spruce
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on saturday i jigged up the fuselage and glued in the longerons
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thanks for the tip about the photo's richard :clap:
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You're a jammy b*****d having a nice warm workshop!
Model looks great.
Where did you get the fancy jig?
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Looks great Andrew :D . That fuselage is going together quick.
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Lovely build Andrew !
You Beer shed is full of planes :lol:
Richard
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I don’t now how you scale guys have the patients for such intricate builds. Looks like a lot of hard work to me. :!:
One thing I certainly admire, is a tidy and well kept workshop. “A place for everything, and everything in it’s place.”
Don’t you agree Andrew?
K.
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nothing fancy about the jig bill just a couple of lenghts of 1" right angled aluminum held together with a few bolts and blocks of wood
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i've now got the fin almost finished and i'm working on the rudder
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Where did you get the idea for the jig Andrew? Was it from the Scale Soaring UK forum?
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yea alan i put a post on there wanting to know what they used as a jig :D
it's a useful website and some lovely models
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yea alan i put a post on there wanting to know what they used as a jig :D
it's a useful website and some lovely models
Oh wait, I remember that post now. How do you find it?
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www.scalesoaring.co.uk
the post was under general disscussion :D
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Thanks Andrew. I found it. I might make one for my next project after the Skylark 2.
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this is the work done so far finally got the rudder made it took a bit of a hand out of me :!:
hoping this week to get the elevator done this is the lazor cut parts for it all i have to make is the leading edge which is made out of 1/2 balsa
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looking good Andrew! I like the jig idea, must make up one when I get time.
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elevator now made i have a bit of sanding to do rounding the leading edge
before i start the wings i have a good bit of work to do to the fuselage, i'm going to first fix the tail plane on and set the incidence, i've already done a bit of work round where the canopy will go and where the cockpit will start
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i'm always thinking ahead :!:
i've never built a set of wings with washout before so i'm looking for advice here, you can see from the drawings at the root it's set at 0mm and at rib 14 it's set at 3mm and at rib 27 it's set at 9mm
is there an easy way to build the wing getting the trailing edge straight :?:
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elevator now made i have a bit of sanding to do rounding the leading edge
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Yes don't forget to round the Leading Edge Andrew :twisted:
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very good bill forgot about that one :!: :!:
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very good bill forgot about that one :!: :!:
I'm NEVER going to let you forget that one!!! :lol: :wink:
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Andrew I suggest you buy Cliff Charlesworth book Scale Model Gliders. I't should answer a lot of your question.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Scale-Model-Gliders-modellers-world/dp/0951058932/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1297272542&sr=8-1 .
I had to build washout in to the wing of my K8. But to try to describe it in words would take a very long time.
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I have that book if you want to borrow it Andrew
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thanks alan :D
i'll get the book off you soon bill
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We might even manage to fly this Sunday :D :shock: :shock:
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been workin on the K13 all week and it's startin to look like a K13
it's been sheeted with 1/16 balsa i've now got to install the servo's for the elevator and the rudder before sheeting the rest
bill has lent me the book cliff charlesworth wrote and i think i know how to build wash out in the wings :?
i'm still buzzing after last weekend :D i'm still on top of that tree :D
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May the buzz be with you Andrew,….. but try and make a more conventional landing next time er? :roll:
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ok Sam a few more pictures of the K13 :D
it's finally all sheeted now
i recieved a box of plywood and spruce from the balsa cabin at the end of last week so i'll be ready soon to start the wings
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i've done the inside of the fuselage with fibre glass resin to add a bit of strenght
the sheeting is 1/16 balsa and i'm scared when the model is finished of putting my fingers through the bottom of the fuselage :!:
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i've made a hatch here so i can get at the servo's, reciever and the battery the wing joiner will be here as well :D
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hi andrew, k13 looking very good. hope you are enjoying the build. when i built my one, i used lots of diagonal bracing between the formers to help support the sheeting. if you check any full size k13's, (or any schleicher gliders ) you will see these diagonals in place. hope this helps, gb.
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hey a big thanks to william and kate for today the day off i got the wing spars made and got the ribs all sorted
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there's 27 ribs and the spar is made out of 1/8 spruce ,there is 3mm of wash out at the start of the aileron and 9mm at the tip
only thing that's bothering me at the moment is the dihedral
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is that 3 degree's or is it 3" at the tip #-o
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Looking at the plan,….as I read it I’d say it was 3inches of dihedral at a distance of 30 inches presumably from the wing root. Although what significance 30 inches from the root would be I have no idea. :!:
Fred will tell you what it should be…………….FRED, oh FRED!!
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doubt i'll have to drink a few more beer and think about it :lol: :lol:
but what you're saying keith makes since :clap:
and i never thought of that
i've asked the same question on www.scalesoaring.co.uk
so it will be interesting to see if you're right keith :?:
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Hi Andrew / Keith,
I'd say 3.3 degrees /wing (total of 6.6degrees diedhral).
But 3 inches at the tip is also plausible.
That's less than the real one by the way (5 degrees/wing). They have higher diedhral than the "norm" because of the swept wings.
Anyway, the diedhral should be built up on the ribs, where the wing joiner slide on the ribs if you see what I mean.
Hope this helps :D
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Oh, and forgot, 3 degrees from 1mm or 2 metres from the centre line, it's the same :P
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ok guys the dihedral is measured in degree's and minutes so the measurement is 3 degree's 30 minutes which works out at 3 1/2 degrees :lol: :lol:
thanks to GEEW from www.scalesoaring.co.uk for explaining it :clap: :clap:
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i've just drew out what 3 1/2 degree's looks like over 75 inches
at the tip the dihedral will be 5 inches
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hi andrew, you seem to have dih sorted out on k13. have you decided on wing joining system yet? in his 'bible' cliff shows how to build a full length box spar using balsa and ply. i followed this method for my k13 and built a brass box/ steel bar joiner into the box spar. this brass box can be fixed to the spar on its centre line, looking at it from the front. i also used brass box across the full width of the fuse to carry the steel bar. this means the dih angle is carried right into and across the fuse. it also means i had to stagger the brass boxes, one in front of the other. because the spar is raked forward and the brass boxes are at right angles to the fuse centre line, i widened the top and bottom spars to ensure the brass boxes were securely attached to the formers within the spar.
using this method provides you with a very strong wing but you must make sure your measurements are accurate from the start. after almost 20 years and several less than perfect landings, my k13 is still going strong.
by the way, have you thought of a colour scheme yet? i used the dublin gliding club's ei112 scheme. i think they also had the same scheme with another reg. might be nice to see them both up together, (just a thought).
regards, gb
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hi Gerry
thanks for that reply, i have been pondering over the wing joiner now for a few weeks :?:
one of the ways i had thought about doing it is the was you have described
i have a 1/4 scale pat teakle Pic20 and it's done the same way :D
haven't thought about the colour scheme yet but i do like the idea of yellow :D
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I know you've done more than this Andrew! Let's see some more pics!
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after seeing Gerry's ask13 and alans ask8 thought i'd need to get my finger out
i've now sorted the brass box for the wing joiner in the first four ribs
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made these arms for the air brakes out of 2mm aluminium
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got some supplies today glue, pins and i brought some silicone paper from work great for building on nothing sticks to it :D
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so i might get a bit done over the next few days 8)
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Not if you drink all those Budweiser's you won’t! :lol:
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ok guys i've had a cracking summer flying now it's time to get back to the building :D
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at the minute no glue has been added when i'm happy i'll start and glue everything down
only problem i'm having is with the first four ribs the first rib(no 0) seems to be much bigger than the rest is this right maybe Gerryb can help
the rib is the right size i've checked it against the plan
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it's nowhere near the other ribs
do i have to bend it down :?:
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Is it maybe supposed to be angled to give the dihedral angle?
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good point bill :clap:
i have the first rib at an angle and maybe it's not enough :?:
i'll have to have a look again :D
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had a look at the full size K13 at the ulster gliding club it's all stripped down and on a trailer
i noticed the first rib is also bigger on the real thing so i'll have to bend the rib down or something :?:
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Is it almost like a "fillet" shape then Andrew?
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hi andrew,
good to see you're back at the building board.
that root rib is a pain in the ass to deal with. the bottom of the rib is not flush with the rest of the ribs. it extends above and below the other ribs, so the height of the rib in your photo is not accurate.
lowering the rib will ease the stress on the spar and allow you to fit it to the root rib easier.
the other thing you can do is cut the spar slot deeper in the rib so it runs straight across all the ribs. you can then add balsa to the top of the spar to fair in the ribs to a streamlined finish.
because the rib extends above & below, i would suggest you leave the root rib off the wing until you have more of the wing constructed. you can then push the root of the wing over the building board for fitting the root rib.
in the previous photo you show the trailing edge fully pinned to the board. i would advise you raise the wing tip about 6mm to allow for a few degrees of washout. this washout starts at the aileron root. in slow flying a/c like the k13, washout is very important, especially when setting up for landing.
hope this helps, keep up the good work, gb
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ha gerry i knew you would sort it :clap:
i'm going to take your advice on lowering the main spar think that would be the easier option :clap:
the trailing edge isn't glued down yet i was thinking about the wash out :?: but i have it all sorted in my head now so hopefully things will move along fast now :D
don't know why but i find it hard to build during the summer months and once it comes to september can't wait to get in the shed :D
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hi andrew,
glad to help but please, please, slow down. the idea is to have the rib fairings on the top of the top spar and on the bottom of the bottom spar. this will give you a much better finish to the wing root. much more scale-like and well worth the effort in the end.
thinking further ahead, if you fit a large curved fairing on top only, it could be difficult to fit the top sheeting because the sheeting goes from a concave shape at the fairing to a convex shape towards the leading edge. in other words, a compound curve. not easy to work with over a fairly small area. just something else to ponder over.
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ok gerry
i'll sip a few more beer and study everthing again :lol:
i can't thank you enough for the advice :clap:
hope you can make it to big L on the 24th and 25th september i'm coming down that weekend along with john and richard and i'll get a good yarn with you
thanks
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hi andy,
i like the idea of the few beers, good thinking buddies!!!
i plan to be at big l, not sure yet for 1 day or 2. i'll have the k13 and 18 with me so you can see how mine fits together.
now if alan and ralph bring their 8's and fred brings his 1 and 3, we could have a right old 'schleicher' fly-in!!
any more k's out there i wonder?
of course, that's only the vintage lot. what about the modern grp models?
interesting possibilities i thing you'll agree.
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I'll bring my K's :D
Actually, we were talking with John the other day, and we might organise a Scale Slope meeting next year :D
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sounds like a plan fred
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i'll bring my K8 as well then :clap: :clap: :clap:
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et moi aussi
sorry wrong section
I'll bring me K huit too!
R
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I'm In :D :D
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I have no 'K' anything :cry: so, i will bring my new Minimoa, if that's ok :lol:
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Er,…….I’m a ‘K’eithy, shall I come? :)
(I don’t fly very well though. :( )
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(I don’t fly very well though. :( )
That really depends on the launch Keith :twisted: :twisted:
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this could be some get together yet!! hope we get the weather for it.
keith, it's your wing loading i'm concerned about and your variable cg, very iffy : :roll: :roll:
only joking keith, looking forward to a festival of flying, roll on the 24th
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yes Gerry! this is the last big L flyin for the year, so lets have a big turn out and make it a great flyin :lol: :lol:
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after a great weekend at big L came back and sorted out the airbrakes and have them installed in the wing
on the down side my flying club was dissolved on friday night and some one burnt down the club house and the shed :(
if it wasn't for gliding and the friends i have north and south of the border i don't think i'd be flying models at the minute :( :(
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absolutely appalling andrew, you have my sympathies. you said previously that the club is disbanded. is that totally disbanded or until ye rebuild the clubhouse? shame if it's gone completely, that means 'they' win. please don't let that happen. hope ye can get going again.
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Ger,
It's a sore subject, but yes, Andrews' club is totally disbanded. All assets were to be sold and the monies given to a local charity. That included the shed & caravan that were burnt down
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sorry, but what it occured?
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as well as building the quark i'm still workin away at the wing
it's sheeted with 1/64 ply and this stuffs expensive it's nearly £18 for a 12" x 36" sheet so i made sure and measured it right :lol:
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nice job Andrew. EVERYTHING is expensive theses days, not just ply! :cry:
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i'm looking for the camera at the minute :!: so i hope to have some more photo's of the 1st wing section soon
i have all the capping strips all glued on and have the airbrake servo installed and working :clap:
i'm ready now to glue on the leading edge and the wing tip and that just leaves me to cut out the aileron and install aileron servo :clap:
i'm using futaba 3003 servo's for the airbrakes, elevator and rudder and hi-tec wing servo's for the ailerons (not the digital ones)
hoping now to get the second section started before christmas :D
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i've had a bit of computer problems and thanks to my brother richard he has us up and running again :clap:
this is the second wing panel, it's amazing how easy the second wing is to build and i've noticed a few mistakes in the first wing :!: :!:
everything is set up dry no glue has been added yet :D
getting ready for a bit of christmas glueing :clap: :clap:
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second wing almost finished, i'm ready to order another sheet of 1/64 plywood to sheet the top and bottom
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airbrake installed
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couldn't resist setting it all up :lol:
nearest wing proped up with a brush :lol:
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now my next big job will be fitting the wings to the fuselage :?:
i've worked at the model all over the christmas period and i'm hoping to keep going want to have it flying some time this year :D
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Looks really good Andrew. Nice work
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nice going andrew, keep up the good work! seeing your photos takes me back to when i built my own '13. looking forward to seeing it finished and in the air. well done!
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Nice work Andrew. Must get back to building myself.
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need to kick my arse into gear or the K13 won't be ready this year :!:
glued the 1/64 ply wood sheet on the top side of the wing hoping to get the bottom done over the weekend :D
if the models not ready for covering by the end of the month i would say it'll be the end of this year before it's ready or early next year :(
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due to the weather i'm back in the shed working on the model
i've nearly the second wing finished :clap: i'm gluing the 1/64 ply capping strips on
once i get the wings sorted on the fuselage that's the model more or less built :D so fingers crossed
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hi Andrew
yes weather is sh*@^% so, I to have been working away in the shed getting a few PSS models build. The build is coming along well by the looks of the photos, looking forward to seeing this glider fly :clap: :clap:
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Looking good Andrew! :clap: The end is near!
With all these scale gliders coming in, we should organize a scale gathering some day! :?: :D
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all the capping strips have been added, the wing tip and leading edge has been glued on now just bit of sanding now if i can just get a dry day to sand it all down :shock:
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after a lot of thinking :?: :?:
finally have the wings attached to the fuselage :clap: :clap:
and couldn't resist a photo
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still a good bit of work to do but it's looking good :D
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Nice work Andrew, this is one glider I would like to have in my hanger :clap:
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You don't have space John!! :wink: :wink:
Beautiful work Andrew look forward to seeing it in the air - Couple of weeks? :wink: :wink:
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nice going andy, coming together very well. how did you attatch the wings to the fuse???
just a thought, but could that green tractor be converted to r/c and used to bring the 13 back to the pits after landing down the runway..........? hmmmmmm, i wonder???
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Looking good indeed Andy! :clap: :clap:
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Great work Andrew :D :D :D . Have you chosen a colour scheme for it yet.
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possible two colour schemes first one is a glider based in Scotland and the other is at the Ulster Gliding Club
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this is my 11 year old son Stuart going for his flight in a glider and it's a K13 :-) we spent the afternoon at the Ulster gliding centre yesterday and the pilot is a friend of mine Owen Andreson who done a great job with him :-)
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I'l bet Stuart loved that Andrew :clap: :clap:
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he sure did Bill he's still talkin about it today :-)
Owen said that he sang the whole flight :lol: when he's singing he's happy
they were up for about 30minutes yesterday the wind was from the east which is the worst direction for the gliding club but Owen managed to get a bit of lift off a ploughed field over Limavady direction others were up and down before Stuart :-)
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Very good Andrew :clap: :clap:
Lucky lad for sure! :clap:
And I like the colour scheme on that K13! :D
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started tonight to cover the K13 wing :D
intersted to see how far the 10m roll of solartex will go :lol:
only down side to the vintage yellow covering it's very see through
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Hi Andrew. I used a 10m roll of white solartex on my K8 and there was plenty left over. Although your K13 is a bit bigger than my K8 :?: .
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after a fortnight of really warm weather i finally can get back into the shed :lol: temperatures were nearly reaching 40 degree's was worried for a few of my fuselages in case they warped in the heat and a lot of covering has wrinkled biggest fear was the lipo batteries put them in boxes and left them outside.
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Big bird finally covered just the canopy to sort decals to add and radio gear to set up :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
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Great work. Did you have much left of the 10m roll?
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Alan I just used strips on the fuselage so I would say I have about 2 metres left :D
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things really taking shape now with the K13 i now have the elevator and rudder connected and working i have the fuselage and the wings all doped, the canopy frame is hinged i now just have the decals to put on and a few bits of black paint and finally glue the canopy to the frame i've been putting this off for ages :lol: and the CG to do i :clap: :clap: :clap:
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God you are on fire! :clap: :clap:
Ready to fly for the week end? :P
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nice work Andrew, looks great :clap: :clap:
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workin flat out at the minute i've three different projects going at the one time
bought paint today for the K13 i've one side of the nose done plus elevator and canopy frame
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paints not drying quick enough tonight :!: :!: :!:
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looking good Andrew
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today is the big day :D
the wind is straight west and is blowing 17mph plus perfect for a maiden flight
fingers crossed all will go well :D
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Good luck Andrew!
Enjoy the first flight! :D
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Hmm, four years in the making, numerous sleepless nights of worry, all for today’s big flight.
Good luck ol’ friend, we’ll all be praying for you to have a soft landing with her. Let us know how you get on.
(I’ll be enjoying these westerly’s today as well.)
Little Keith
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Well not long back after travelling to the mountain to maiden the K13
Conditions today were maybe a little to blustery 20 + mph but I went on ahead and gave it a go
Thanks to Richard and Diane who travelled from Craigavon to help with the first flight :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
And what can I say the big model just flew out of Richards hands had a lot of down trim to put in and a few clicks of left aileron and it was sorted :D
Really pleased with the result
Getting ready now to start building the wing of a 1/4 scale Slingsby Skylark :D
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Is that it?!!! No pictures!! :shock: :shock: Christ, what sort of a forum do you think this is Andy! (Bloody outrageous I call it :evil: )
Well done on the first flight, :clap: must be very satisfying after all that work….and now you’re gonna start another project! :D (He doesn’t give up that boy… :wink: )
Anyway, how is Mr Boyd and the lovely Diane ? Haven’t seen them for ages :D ………….
L. Keith
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Hear hear!
Same here, well done again you! :clap: :clap:
The old man is right, where are the photos for the forum? Where?? :P
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No thermal flying today so I headed for the mountain with the K13 the flights today are only its 2nd & 3rd flights
Sorry about the flying pictures but it was hard flying and trying to take the pictures on my own :)
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outstanding workmanship andy, well done!!!!! hope you enjoy it for many years to come. mine is 24 years old this month and i still get a kick out of seeing it in the air. just love those forward swept wings.
well done again.
gb
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:-* Very nice Andrew!
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Well done my friend. BTW.....what is the benefit of those forward swept wings?
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Visibility down for the back seat :)
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and excellent stability in a training aircraft. why aren't all trainers built like this? i don't know for sure but maybe it's the construction. to give you an idea of what's involved in building a wing like this, stand with your arms outstretched with your palms turned down, now raise your arms for dihedral, bring them forward for the sweep and now twist your palms so that your little fingers are above your thumbs. great fun, and the cause of many sleepless nights trying to figure it all out. well worth it in the end though when you see it flying
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I was really worried about hand launching it on my own after a couple of scary moments with the Flair K8 stalling with me my heart was thumping. Once I had it above my head and the wind got under the wings I knew it would go. At one point the wind died away and I took a deep breath thinking I'm going to have to walk but no the 13 was happy floating about
Gerry believe it or not I was thinking about you when it was flying, seems like a life time ago we were all sitting round the table in the Moss House good times :)
Keith I haven't a clue about the wings but I love the look of them when it's in the air :)
I just pray now for more Westerly winds so I can get it back in the air
Now to get the skylark finished :D
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Lol I took the pictures with my phone lol suppose this is one advantage of flying mode 2
Held the phone in my left hand and tried to fly the model low and slow until I could see it on the phone screen then pressed the screen with my finger :) :) :)