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Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 19, 2012, 04:25:07 AM

Well it had to happen, this one has been waiting since 2008 to get up on the building table. I bought a short kit from Fred at Island Models (http://islandmodels.ie/index.php/13scaleka3) to help speed things along.

Wingspan: 333cm / 131in
Length: 180cm / 70.8in
Weight: ~7kg / 15.4lb

Decent sized plan.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350603347_0.jpg)

Better start with something easy to warm up, part of the tail.   :wink:
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350603347_1.jpg)

Hmmmmm, maybe not...   :?:
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350603347_2.jpg)

Might be better like this.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350603347_3.jpg)

Starting to look like something.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350603347_4.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 20, 2012, 09:43:30 AM

Good start!  :D
 And all the formers looks the good way around  :lol:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 20, 2012, 20:59:39 PM

Cheers Fred, just a happy coincidence about the formers!     :wink:

Well after some cutting, sanding and gluing we are starting to see a structure form.  
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350761830_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 23, 2012, 13:00:46 PM

Well...
You're not here to put butter on sandwiches! (French expression  :lol: ) Fuselage is already almost done!  :clap:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 23, 2012, 14:36:55 PM

True, no time to post, build, build, build!   :lol:

I'll post some pictures tonight.    :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 23, 2012, 15:13:34 PM

Wait.. What are you doing here?!
BUILD!!   :lol:
Not even time for beers!!  :P

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 23, 2012, 15:16:12 PM

Working...    :wink:

Always time for a beer, not so sure if the build gains from it though!   :lol:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 24, 2012, 02:01:35 AM

V-tail starting to come alive.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351036446_1.jpg)

Few cuts with my little hacksaw, 8mm outer tube as I couldn't find a 7mm od. tube.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350952273_0.jpg)

Tad of Hysol to keep it all together.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350952273_1.jpg)

Squeesing the outer tube end together will keep the inner tube in place.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351036447_2.jpg)

Sweeeet!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1350952273_2.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351036446_0.jpg)

First change, v-tail servos in the tail. Hobbyking sells these re-badged MKS DS6125 servos (http://www.hobbyking.com/hobbyking/store/uh_viewitem.asp?idproduct=23340&aff=104285), they shouldn't have any trouble moving their surfaces.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351036447_3.jpg)

Not much left, just the bottom sheeting and access hatch for the servos.   :)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351038546_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: erwan on October 24, 2012, 08:02:05 AM

Hello

Very strong servo for V tail :D

nice work

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 24, 2012, 08:12:42 AM

Very very nice!  :clap:  :clap:

Servos in the V-Tail is one of the mod on the new kit being produced  :D

Also, on a side note, as your kit is from 2008, do you have diedhral on your wing?  :?:
I have added a bit at some stage, I can post the templates if you want to modify the holes for the wing joiners in your wings  :D
Purely cosmetic as mine does not have any, but it looks better on the ground  :wink:

I'll post build photos of my new Ka3 this week end  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: erwan on October 24, 2012, 08:59:04 AM

asn't like as mine, added a positiv diedral . lol

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 24, 2012, 09:00:34 AM

Yeah, on the ground, the wings looks like they are going down  :lol:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: erwan on October 24, 2012, 10:52:55 AM

it look like depressiv glider

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 24, 2012, 11:34:33 AM

Cheers.   :D

Quote from: "Fred"

Also, on a side note, as your kit is from 2008, do you have diedhral on your wing?  :?:
I have added a bit at some stage, I can post the templates if you want to modify the holes for the wing joiners in your wings  :D
Purely cosmetic as mine does not have any, but it looks better on the ground  :wink:

I'll post build photos of my new Ka3 this week end  :D

Propably not, though there's a plywood angle that isn't 90° so maybe that's for the dihydral?

Looking forward to seeing the new Ka.   :clap:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 24, 2012, 11:38:23 AM

Ok, cool, if it's not at 90 degrees, you should have the one with diedhral then  :D
You can easily check anyway by aligning all the wing joiner holes of the first 3 ribs, the top of the last rib should go up  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 24, 2012, 11:47:37 AM

Cool, who knows maybe I'll start on one of the wings tonight, decisions, decisions.   :?:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 24, 2012, 11:48:29 AM

Ah go on!
You are on track for the first flight this week end!  :P

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 25, 2012, 01:35:50 AM

Doubt it as I still need to get two more spars!  :wink:

Now for something completely different.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351123531_2.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351123531_3.jpg)

Wingribs and other parts.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351123531_1.jpg)

Some time later.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351123531_4.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on October 25, 2012, 08:32:00 AM

:clap:  :clap:
Well... That was quick!  :wink:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 25, 2012, 11:54:48 AM

Must be the wood... or the design!   :wink:

I'll be slowing down a bit though as I'm still waiting for spar material for the other wing.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on October 28, 2012, 02:46:13 AM

Wing has been sheeted.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351389294_1.jpg)

Countersinking the elevator hinge hole.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351389294_2.jpg)

Nice and tight.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351389294_0.jpg)

Servo hatch in the elevator
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1351389294_3.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 07, 2012, 00:46:31 AM

Last days have been spent on the second wing half, so nothing new there.

I've installed the wing tube, cut some hard wood in the gap between the spars and the tube, then glued with epoxy with fibers and microballons. Also added share web to the spars, should be bulletproof!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352247746_0.jpg)

Same in the fuselage.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352247747_1.jpg)

The plane has been used quite a lot on the leading edge.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352247747_2.jpg)

Servo hatch in the wing.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352247747_3.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 07, 2012, 16:03:44 PM

Picture my mate took when I was doing the wing tube.

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352268057_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 08, 2012, 00:44:02 AM

The wing struts need to attach to something
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352334062_0.jpg)

Every little bit helps to get a better mechanical join.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352334062_1.jpg)

Then we install the plates in the wing.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352334062_2.jpg)

And the fuselage.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352334062_3.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 09, 2012, 00:14:22 AM

Hardwood was sanded to an airfoil shape, center drilled and then glued into the alu. strut.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352418289_0.jpg)

Voila, rinse and repeat for the other wing!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352418290_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: mario on November 09, 2012, 06:19:56 AM

good job, nice color the piper

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 09, 2012, 08:58:43 AM

Thanks, decided to do something new when it was restored!   :D

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1346466278_16.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 10, 2012, 03:35:56 AM

We need a dashboard for the pilot.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352517312_1.jpg)

Getting there, just need the finishing touches.  :)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352517312_2.jpg)

Full size looks something like this.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352517634_0.jpg)  

Horns added to the elevator and pushrods made.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352517312_0.jpg)

It's alive!   :D
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/6Bfj6F7M5_Y[/youtube]

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 10, 2012, 12:35:25 PM

Were there suggested control throws being floated about or is TLAR the way to go Fred?   :?:

How weight have people ended up with in the nose? I was thinking of adding some weight at the building stage to minimise what is needed during the finishing stage.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 11, 2012, 01:00:31 AM

Next up the nose, lot of balsa and dash of plywood needed.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352593515_0.jpg)

Release for aerotowing will be in the nose.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352593515_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 11, 2012, 23:56:04 PM

The release in its place!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352676996_0.jpg)

Nose glued on.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352676997_1.jpg)

Dashboard almost ready.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352676997_2.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on November 12, 2012, 09:28:49 AM

Looking really good Selleri!  :clap:  :clap:
Sorry for the late reply, busy week (on Call  :!: ), but for the throws, I am a very bad example as I always put the maximum allowed, just some expo and I do the rest  :D
I think I have noted what I had on mine, I'll find it and come back to you  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 12, 2012, 14:04:04 PM

Thanks Fred and no problem. Do you remember how much weight was needed in the nose?

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on November 12, 2012, 18:04:41 PM

On top of my Head, around 800grs.
AUW of the glider was about 7Kgs. Way too light!
If you fly at the slope, another kilo would be nice!

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 12, 2012, 18:07:28 PM

And here I was thinking 2 kg!   :D

Hmmm, extra weight you say...   :?:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on November 12, 2012, 18:15:53 PM

Well, you might need a kilo, as you have the servos in the tail (mine were in the front, under the pilot's seat).

Personnaly, I don't like gliders that are too light, especially at the slope.
If you look at the video of the first flight, it's not very pretty, as it was a bit windy and the glider is all over the place in the turbulences! And impossible to land as it kept floating around!

That was much better with another kilo, but if you mainly do aerotowing, that's another story, but might be good to keep a ballast option for those windy days.  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 12, 2012, 23:42:12 PM

Nose job.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352762989_1.jpg)

Messy!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352762989_0.jpg)

Spoiler...
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352762989_2.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/zY-TU1NBU1k[/youtube]

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 14, 2012, 01:48:50 AM

Tow release setup.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352854636_3.jpg)

Spoiler innards.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352854635_0.jpg)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/Kl-br_2OdNM[/youtube]

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 15, 2012, 01:55:31 AM

Lot of little stuff being worked on, also stiffened the ailerons.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1352941674_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on November 15, 2012, 08:03:50 AM

Nice!  :clap:

Take your time to finish it, I kind of like my daily morning update on your build!  :clap:  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 15, 2012, 13:25:41 PM

Thanks, will do, I'm afraid the updates will start to slow down as I'm getting to the time consuming not showing much progress parts, lol.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 16, 2012, 01:14:22 AM

You could also just send me some more of your kits...    :wink:




Now for the fun, canopy making!

Annealed the brass tubes.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353026372_0.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353026372_1.jpg)

No I'm not Superman! Those tubes are cooling down after being annealed. I'm silver soldering two parts that will become part of the locking mechanism so they wont fall apart when I solder the rest of the frame.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353019006_0.jpg)

Then they where bent according to the drawings and held in place.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353026372_2.jpg)

Where possible I inserted a bit of metal into the joins.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353026373_3.jpg)

Voila, ready for the next step, cheated a bit at the backside and used one tube instead of three seperate ones but I'm sure no one will find out!   :roll:
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353026373_4.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 17, 2012, 01:01:08 AM

Spent some time today on the locking mechanism.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353113468_0.jpg)

Voila, though I can't glue it in just yet.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353113468_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 18, 2012, 03:12:55 AM

Amazing what some primer does to the overall look!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353208014_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on November 18, 2012, 11:05:46 AM

Looking very neat!!  :clap:  :clap:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Alan_Perse on November 18, 2012, 14:27:02 PM

Great work :D :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 18, 2012, 23:02:20 PM

Thanks guys.  

Ailerons almost finished.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353279083_0.jpg)

Now the glue on the horn just needs to dry.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353279083_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Happy Days on November 19, 2012, 13:14:28 PM

I must say Selleri, I’m very impressed that you clear up your workroom every time you take a picture. :o  

I wish I could get into that habbit ..... Mine looks like a complete dump :roll:

Keith

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 19, 2012, 18:14:47 PM

Don't worry Keith I've got two other tables at the moment for "other stuff!"    :lol:

I'll take a picture though they are looking rather clean at the moment as I've used up most of the wood.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 20, 2012, 02:40:47 AM

Just for you Keith!  
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_2.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_3.jpg)


Who says the Germans don't have sense of humor!!!  :)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_0.jpg)

Balsa blocks give the hinges something to glue to!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_1.jpg)

Steel sand, heavy and nice.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_4.jpg)

Not big.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_5.jpg)

About 500 gr. in the nose, it'll do until I get all the stuff installed but going by the weight Fred put in his I might easily need another 500 gr. At least it's easier to add weight than remove it!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_6.jpg)

Dry, dry!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_9.jpg)

Hmmm, something brewing on the side
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353378367_8.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Happy Days on November 20, 2012, 07:41:16 AM

Thanks for those first two pictures Selleri. I was beginning to get an inferiority complex. I shall sleep much better now. Hmmmm zzzzzzz.

K.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 23, 2012, 17:30:13 PM

No problem Keith!  :lol:

Added plywood on either side as I need a bit more material for my skid.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353545607_1.jpg)

Ashlok/Molex connectors keep us plugged in.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353545607_0.jpg)


Heatshrink on joins.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353641800_0.jpg)

Equipment plate in the wing area.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353641800_1.jpg)

Magnets will be used to attach the dashboard.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353641800_5.jpg)
Then it's on to cutting some plastic.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353641800_6.jpg)

Three sides ready for some fun.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353641800_7.jpg)

Primer is sanded off where the canopy plastic is glued to the frame.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353641800_8.jpg)

Then we apply some glue and wait for it to dry.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353641800_9.jpg)

After it has dried it's time to get more precise for application of the internal seam. Syringe, silicone tube and a molested q-tip.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353690779_0.jpg)

Voila!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353690779_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: johnfireball on November 23, 2012, 23:01:34 PM

Hi Selleri,
             Nice work. Is that an orange reciever I see in there, some of them are only suitable for park fliers, range is limited to 300 meters. I would be wary of using one in your masterpiece.
John.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 24, 2012, 01:37:18 AM

Cheers John, no worries it's just for the setup work, don't want any dust on my fancy rx!   :lol:

Guide for the dashboard.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353720640_0.jpg)

Dashboards fastners being glued in.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353720640_1.jpg)

All the plastic is glued in but I still need to glue the insides of the sides.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353720640_2.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Alan_Perse on November 24, 2012, 09:41:27 AM

Great work Selleri. Those Ashlok connectors look very useful. Where can you get them?

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 24, 2012, 18:47:39 PM

Cheers, Phil at Fighteraces (http://www.rcmf.co.uk/4um/index.php/topic,94395.0.html) is going to sell them soon, Ashtek used to sell them but they quit some time ago.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 26, 2012, 01:06:41 AM

Added a list for the covering to sit on.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353889627_2.jpg)

I think I can live with this.  
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353889627_0.jpg)

Everything going on under the hood.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353889627_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 27, 2012, 01:33:18 AM

Skid material drying.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1353978985_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on November 27, 2012, 08:06:29 AM

As usual, very neat job!  :clap:
Quick question for you. What glue are you using to glue the canopy to the frame?  :?:  Epoxy?

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 27, 2012, 08:52:24 AM

Cheers, Hysol 9462.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on November 27, 2012, 08:57:16 AM

Ok thanks  :D
Did not knew that one, have to try!  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 27, 2012, 09:22:06 AM

Yeah, good stuff, I use it almost exclusively on different material bonds. Wood to fiber, plastic to metal, wood to metal, metal on metal(back cross piece in canopy).

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 29, 2012, 15:09:21 PM

Skid ready for covering.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354161201_0.jpg)

List added under the top sheeting.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354161201_1.jpg)

Magnets to keep the tail attached.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354161202_3.jpg)

Sometimes you need specialised tools.  ;)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354161202_4.jpg)

The backbit getting some sanding done.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354161202_5.jpg)

Servo plugs added from the tail section.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354161202_6.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on November 30, 2012, 00:32:14 AM

Almost there...
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354235412_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 01, 2012, 23:45:42 PM

Over the course of the build I've been wondering if Fred had made an erreur but turns out he got it right, shame on me for doubting you mate!  :oops:
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354327893_0.jpg)

The covering will need something to adhere to around the strut attachment points.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354404240_3.jpg)

More gluing area aquired.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354404240_0.jpg)

Next up, gluing the top piece.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354404240_1.jpg)

And cut it open after the glue dried!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354404240_2.jpg)

Getting there.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354404240_4.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 03, 2012, 01:20:08 AM

And that concludes, for the most part, the build for now. Next up finding some clothes!   8)


Sun hatch working as expected!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354496837_0.jpg)

Needed to add a bit more steel sand. I knew that planes with the tail servos in the fuselage had been adding up to 1000 gr. to balance the plane. I've already put 500 gr. in but assembling it today and balancing showed I needed at least 800 gr. more! So it was added before covering can start. What ever extra weight I need to add will be put in with lead sheets under the tow release.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354496837_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 04, 2012, 11:58:01 AM

Bit of dry wall filler, just look at that line!!! Maybe I should change professions!?  ;)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_0.jpg)

...and now for something completely different! Poly-Fiber(Stits) fabric will be used. First order of business is cutting it a bit oversize for the area of attachment.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_1.jpg)

Then the fabric cement is applied to the areas we want to glue it too, usually the extreme most parts of the area being worked on and around openings.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_2.jpg)

Glue applied.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_3.jpg)

In full swing.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_4.jpg)

Progressing nicely.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_5.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_6.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_7.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588651_8.jpg)

Then we shrink the fabric with heat.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_0.jpg)

Voila.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_2.jpg)

Not too shabby.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_1.jpg)

Can't forget the tail.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_5.jpg)

Both sides done.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_3.jpg)


Still I feel something is missing.  ;)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_4.jpg)

Didn't take long to fix that and now the can of fabric sealer(dope) is on the table. The fabric sealer does just that.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_6.jpg)

Bit of colour is in it so it's easier to see where its been applied.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_7.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_8.jpg)

Now we just need to let it dry.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354588971_9.jpg)


It sure is nice to have access to good mates that are professionals! Pretty neat how effortless this method is compared to the good 'ol heat shrinking film. Quite a bit faster than cloth and resin. Compared to *tex fabrics it's quicker and easier. I'm sold, now the only problem is importing the stuff.

I wonder if the Quark...   ;)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 05, 2012, 00:53:08 AM

Some tape applied to the seam.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1354665547_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: billscottni on December 05, 2012, 12:15:33 PM

the full size boys use very similar materials. If you get the lightest material they use, it will do 1/4 scale up. Try asking around the airfields for a supplier

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 05, 2012, 13:18:40 PM

Thanks for the tip Bill. This is actually a full scale product, that Cub in the background isn't a model you know.   :wink:

Poly-fiber (http://www.polyfiber.com)(stits) is the stuff and they have an agent in Somerset (http://www.aircraftcoverings.co.uk/).

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: billscottni on December 05, 2012, 13:45:11 PM

Thanks for the link. Bit closer to me than you!! :?:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 05, 2012, 14:00:14 PM

Yes, the full scale guys here try to use the chance when someone is bringing a container from USA to get the stuff put on them, less hazzle and not as expensive.

One of the many joys of living on a small rock in a big pond!   :wink:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on December 06, 2012, 10:31:26 AM

Once again, really looking good!!  :clap:

For the covering, looks like Dacron or Diatex.
And I agree, when you try those, you never look back!

I now use Diatex 1000. You use it like solartex (heat glue) and then seal it.
I buy my rolls at Copaero in France if that can help  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 06, 2012, 10:40:45 AM

Cheers Fred.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: billscottni on December 06, 2012, 15:11:35 PM

What heat glue are you suing to stick the diatex to the woodwork Fred?

Will be starting to cover my KA3 wings soon, so looking to get my supplies in :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on December 06, 2012, 16:42:41 PM

Hey Bill,

For the Diatex, it is an iron on covering if you see what I mean, so all reday to go.
You just need to seal it at the end, that's all.

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 10, 2012, 21:15:59 PM

Tail feathers covered.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1355173792_0.jpg)

I'm negotiating with Cecil's boss about him temping on the Ka3.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2012/1355173792_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on December 21, 2012, 14:46:20 PM

Sooo... I guess it is finished, and flew already  :mrgreen:  \:D/

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on December 21, 2012, 15:31:45 PM

Indeed...  nahh life and other stuff in the way, still need to cover the wings and then it'll wait for my P-47 to join it for some high velocity colour throwing contest!

Something new on your build?

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on December 21, 2012, 16:11:00 PM

Life? What's that?  :lol:  :P

On my side, Fuselage is waiting for the covering, and wings are half sheted. I hope to finish that this week end and I'll post photos then, so all going good, first flight is getting closer!  :D

Oh, and you should post something about your P47!
One of my favourite WWII bird with the Hellcat  :D  (actually did a few local scale contests with a P47 a long time ago!)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on February 23, 2013, 21:27:46 PM

One down, one to go!  No, that's not the next project in the background! :lol:
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1361637449_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 01, 2013, 01:31:39 AM

The wingtips got that starved horse look so a bit of wood was added at the LE.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367367461_0.jpg)

Next up, the paint job!   :)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367367461_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 04, 2013, 02:23:18 AM

Time for some colour!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367629850_0.jpg)

Some more.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367629850_1.jpg)

Bit nose heavy with all the missing parts behind the CG!  ;)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367629850_2.jpg)

This is the "white" I'm using.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367629850_3.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 05, 2013, 00:37:15 AM

Smaller parts curing with big sister.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367691090_0.jpg)

Fuselage is curing and waiting for the next colours.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367691092_1.jpg)

Wings and wingstruts are also curing!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367710122_0.jpg)  

This picture might show the "white" colour better.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367691092_2.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on May 06, 2013, 19:35:37 PM

Nice  :clap:
Is that 2K paint?  :?:
Are you doing the one with the red tips?  :?:  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 06, 2013, 20:12:29 PM

Yes, Sikkens Autocoat BT (http://www.akzonobel.com/aac/brands_products/sikkens_autocoat_bt/) from Akzo Nobel.

Meet Mr. Spaceman!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367748542_0.jpg)

No, red isn't part of the colour scheme... want a hint!?   :?:
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367807858_1.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 08, 2013, 02:08:13 AM

You're no good at this guessing game mister...   :wink:

As it seems I've finished the last remaining hardner in the country the painting has been halted until next week. But it doesn't matter much as I finished the last major colour tonight so only couple of small parts remain. Tomorrow will be like Christmas but only with lot more wrappings!  

Better cover up what we don't want to paint.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367807858_1.jpg)

Amazing how much time can be spent masking!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367807858_0.jpg)

Add bit of colour!
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367807858_2.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367807858_3.jpg)

Baking in the hot room.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367807858_4.jpg)

Checking the colour in daylight, hard to belive but it's the same as on the pictures above!  
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367887690_0.jpg)

Third colour added.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367972161_0.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367972161_1.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367972161_2.jpg)

And the fourth one.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367972161_3.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1367972161_4.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 08, 2013, 15:12:23 PM

I've unwrapped the parts and it's safe to say that I'm well chuffed! All the lines are clear and no leaks.
Quality products and good working procedures pay off.

Tail part.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_0.jpg)

Close up of the colour lines, that "ridge" isn't as bad as it looks.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_2.jpg)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_1.jpg)

Wingtip
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_3.jpg)

The front end.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_4.jpg)

I borrowed Cecil from a mate as his steed isn't ready yet.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_5.jpg)

(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_6.jpg)

And here she is fully assembled, well minus top hatch and wing struts.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368019508_8.jpg)

Can't wait to see her airborne!   :cool:
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368020238_0.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: mario on May 08, 2013, 15:20:12 PM

good job :clap:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: billscottni on May 09, 2013, 15:25:49 PM

Lovely job. I've been building the 1/4 scale version for about 18 months now! Was going to use that colour scheme, but I'll need to rethink it now :?:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 10, 2013, 03:44:55 AM

Cheers!

Quote from: "billscottni"

Lovely job. I've been building the 1/4 scale version for about 18 months now! Was going to use that colour scheme, but I'll need to rethink it now :?:

Why? You don't like it anymore!?   :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: billscottni on May 10, 2013, 13:50:12 PM

Can't have two same scheme if you get down to visit us! :wink:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 11, 2013, 00:41:31 AM

Don't worry I'd probably bring the Quark then!   :?:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 14, 2013, 01:21:03 AM

Added some bling on the bottom!   ;)
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368489154_0.jpg)

50 shades of grey...
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368489154_2.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 17, 2013, 01:39:09 AM

Wohoo, no more painting.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368748832_2.jpg)

Voila! Now to finish her up.
(http://frettavefur.net/Forum/uploadpic/2013/1368748832_3.jpg)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on May 18, 2013, 19:57:46 PM

Once again... Great work!!  :clap:  :clap:
Master painter!  :clap:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 19, 2013, 01:27:55 AM

Thanks mate! Not sure about the master bit but so far so good!  :wink:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on May 20, 2013, 20:07:58 PM

That do look good on photos  :clap:  :clap:
Painting is my big fear! Never managed to get a good finish  :cry:  :cry:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on May 21, 2013, 00:48:10 AM

Make sure you've got a good gun!

I've got a HVLP touch-up gun (http://www.devilbiss.com/Products/SprayGuns/TouchUpGuns/HVLP/CompactMINI.aspx) and a small compressor and that's about the sweetest thing I've got my hands on, not that I've got much experience in the matter, lol.

But as even I can use it, it must be good!   :lol:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on July 28, 2013, 04:24:14 AM

After having added a tow hook to my mates 36% Sbach we finaly got a chance to try it today and why not use the chance and test the Ka-3. What can possibly go wrong!? Well to answer that question nothing did!  :)

She is a sweet pussycat in the air and likes to stay up if there are thermals around. To say I'm a bit chuffed is an understatement, good job Fred!  

Getting to the runway.
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7071.JPG)

Ready to go.
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_6852.JPG)

Little bit of wing assistance for the maiden.
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7075.JPG)

And up she went.
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7077.JPG)

(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7080_7136.JPG)

(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7080_7142.JPG)

And release!
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7080_7143.JPG)

Freedom!
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7081_7110.JPG)

(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7117.JPG)

Brake, they work well, no noticeable trim change.
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7117_7089.JPG)

Sweet!
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7128.JPG)

Landing...
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_7174_7095.JPG)

Happy owner after the first few flights.
(http://frettavefur.net/myndirModelmanna/albums/uploadMyndir/2013/2013_07_27_Ka3_frumflug/IMG_6858.JPG)

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: andrew wallace on July 28, 2013, 20:57:33 PM

:clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:  :clap:
well done Selleri another success  :D
love the idea of a sbach as a tug lol

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on July 28, 2013, 21:14:19 PM

Thanks Andrew, we needed a something little bit more than Pinky for my new DG800 (http://frettavefur.net/Forum/viewtopic.php?id=7469)!
It also saves me getting Pinky from A to B when towing my Ka8 mate (who owns the Sbach).

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/HLYl2kPmPu4[/youtube]

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on July 29, 2013, 09:09:08 AM

Congratulations on the successful first flight Selleri!  :clap:
A beautifully finished model, a beautiful day! Many thanks for sharing with us!  :clap:  :D
And I'm also glad that you like it!  :D

So now, the usual question everybody ask after the first successful landing of a glider... What's next!?  :D  :P

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on July 29, 2013, 18:42:08 PM

Cheers Fred!

Hmmm, finish the P-47, maiden the DG800 and probably build the Quark for next winter.
Then there is a gull wing fetish I might need to address, got any plans to help me with that?  :?:

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: Fred on July 30, 2013, 13:45:58 PM

Hmmm, gull wings eh?!  :D
I have the Habicht and the Kranich planned if interested  :D
I hope to go back to the Kranich after the Ka8 and the Blanik  :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: billscottni on July 30, 2013, 20:38:12 PM

Did you say Blanik? You've piqued my interest there

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: rogallo on July 30, 2013, 23:07:15 PM

Join the queue Bill!!!

 :D

Title: 33% Kaiser Ka-3
Post by: selleri on July 30, 2013, 23:43:57 PM

Quote from: "Fred"

Hmmm, gull wings eh?!  :D
I have the Habicht and the Kranich planned if interested  :D
I hope to go back to the Kranich after the Ka8 and the Blanik  :D

Habicht or Kranich sounds good!     :clap: