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Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on December 01, 2008, 18:33:08 PM
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Phase%206%20fuselarge.jpg)


Having a spot of bother building this Phase 6 of mine. :?
All sensible ideas would be greatly appreciated :D

The picture shows the front (inside) portion of the fuselarge. I am required to stick the piece of triangular section around the bottom section of the fuse'. To aid the bending of this piece of 3/8" section I've cut little slots in the top.

The instructions advise PVA glue which takes at lease half an hour to set.
To hold the triangular section in place around the curves of the bottom of the fuse' for that much time the instructions advise pinning the triangular strip to the fuse.............

There in lies the problem  :!:

The triangular strip of wood is so dam hard that the pins just bend or snap. I fear using thicker pins in case I split the wood.

So,..............all you experts out there,.........what's the solution :?:

K.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on December 01, 2008, 21:24:01 PM
Hi Keith,
Cut and bend till good dry fit.
Run small bead of PVA onto the plywood having sanded it first to remove the release agent they use when making the ply. Press the hard wood into the glue a section at a time and while holding in place add a flash of thin super glue at the edges (just along where you have it held in place).
Work along the length of hardwood two inches at a time until done.
When done squeeze some PVA into the cuts with your finger.

Brian
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on December 02, 2008, 07:50:43 AM
Well done that Man! :clap:

Thank you Brian, that little trick worked :D

I did find however that the CA (Super Glue) didn't want to cure when I dripped it onto the joint. I assumed that some of the PVA glue had squeezed out between the joint and reacted with the CA. However, a wee drop of CA Activator solved that problem.

Onward we go with the build!

K.

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Fuse%20with%20longeron.jpg)

p.s.
Sorry the picture is hard to see the various parts. (It was taken by flash light) The longer you look at the picture the more you'll be able to make out.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Fred on December 02, 2008, 08:29:47 AM
Hi there,

Sorry, bit of a late answer here...  :oops:  Busy days !  :!:

But same as Brian ! I haven't use pins for years now !
If you don't have thin Cyano, you can put a drop of normal basic cyano every inch or so on the white glue directly...
The cyano will work as pins, the best of both world !  :D
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on December 02, 2008, 16:48:58 PM
Yes Fred, that really works :clap: .............putting drops of thick CA on top of the white PVA glue saves having to hold the pieces together while trying to put drops of thin CA onto the joint.

Thank you both very much for the advise. (No doubt I'll have some more questions for you before long!)

Keith
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on December 16, 2008, 09:54:06 AM
Hey Brian,

I remember you telling me to grp reinforce some part of my Phase 6.

The instructions recomend putting a layer of glass inside the bottom of the nose, but I'm sure you advised somewhere else as well,..didn't you?  :?:

Keith
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on December 16, 2008, 13:29:58 PM
Hi Keith,
Yes I did, that model is prone to breaking at the wing area during 'crash landing' which is a frequent occurence on some slopes.
So sand the ply (inside) sides and floor from 25 mm in front of the wing to 25m behind the wing and glass these pieces( before assembly is best).
The two formers will have to be sanded to allow for the glass.
Are you going with two wing servos? This helps.

Brian
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on December 16, 2008, 14:52:52 PM
Thanks Brian.

I've already assembled the fuse, however I'd also already sanded all of the ply parts first, for this very eventuality.

As for wing servos, ......................I've cut out each bay in the underside of the wings.

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Sevro%20cut%20out%20bay.jpg)



Linned the bottom of the bay with a piece of ply, ( sanded on both sides) and stuck with epoxy,..............

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Linned%20bay.jpg)



And secured the servos in place with double sided tape. (This servo has not been stuck in yet, had to make a hole down the inside of the wing for the lead first!) :roll:

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Servo%20in%20place.jpg))



I've also decided not to secure the wings with peg and screws. (Yet) I'm gonna go with banded wings untill I'm be sure I can land this bird gently.

I'll keep you posted!


Keith

ps.
Is your Duck ready yet? It would probably fly very well in all this rain :P
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 17, 2009, 10:21:31 AM
Okay, coming to the final stages of this build, and I'm looking at setting up the control surfaces.

I want to use flaperons. Reason:- to slow the model for landing and reduce the stall speed of the bird, (so she touches down at a lower speed and does less damage.) (At least, that's the idea :?: )

My Tx is a Futaba T6EX. Although it has flaperon ability it's only an 'On/Off' switch. There is no proportional controll of the flaperons. i.e. with the switch off.......the ailerons work as ailerons,.....with the switch on.....both ailerons deploy down by a predertimined % of their total downward movement. (The ailerons will still move as ailerons, but either downward aileron will have a very limited degree of further downward movement.)

My question is;................  What % of total downward movment should I set the flaperons to?
I want to slow the plane as much as possible so as to touch down slowly, but I also want to retain as much roll controll as possible. (To keep the wings level)

Someone clue me in on this please :?:
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2009, 14:44:50 PM
Hi Keith,
I do not like using full length ailerons as flaps.
It makes the wing more prone to tip stalling.
Also we are nearly always trying to land where there is still some lift.
I would use them as spoilers up to 35 degrees, but in a mix with elevator.
I set this up on my throttle so it is proportional, and so that it works like throttle ie back on stick = slow.

Brian
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 19, 2009, 15:09:51 PM
Well thanks for your advise Brian. :D

My problem is the risk of causing damage during landing. From what I understand, (Which aint a lot! :!: ) flaperons cause the wing to stall at a slower speed. My logic is that a slower speed at landing = less possible damage to model. Spoilerons will slow the model down but I still have to make the plane touch the ground at a faster speed than if I were using flaperons.
Please tell me if I'm wrong on this assumption.

As for using the throttle control for deploying the flaperons,.....can't do that with my Tx :!:  The flaperons only deploy via the "Flaperon" switch. (Had I known when I bought the Tx what I know now, I might have got a different model. It's a wonderful thing,........Hindsight :oops:

Anyway, I won't be maidening her for a few days yet,.........fecking weather :x

Here is a couple of picies. (I couldn't bring myself to put bands on the wings, so for the sake of these photo's the wing is just lying on the fuse :P


(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Final%206%20%20one.jpg)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/phase%206%20three.jpg)
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2009, 15:56:11 PM
Hi Keith,
You flash git !! :P  I need sun glasses to look at that :mrgreen:
Have you any mixers in that radio ?.
Spoilerons will slow it  so that it is stopped if you use enough throw.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 19, 2009, 17:48:13 PM
Git!!! :shock: .....you call me a GIT :evil:  What a flagrant insult. I demand satisfaction:.......Cheeseburgers at twenty paces! :lol:

As for the Tx, yes it has two mixer programmes.

Okay about spoilerons slowing the plane, but surely if it slows too much it will stall, and simply drop? (Or am I showing my ignorance?)


K.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on January 19, 2009, 19:08:54 PM
Hi Keith,
The model looks really smart,your getting better with each one.
When you use spoileron you 'wash out 'the outer wing half, thus its less likely to tip stall Flaperon has the opposite effect.
As for slowing down too much its a question of flying conditions and degree of surface movement.Thus it's better to have proportional control.
So what mixes do you have ??.

Brian
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Fred on January 19, 2009, 19:14:52 PM
Hey Keith,

Sory, a bit late on this one !  :oops:
Really looking good  :clap:  :clap:  I agree with Brian, you are getting better and better !

For the flap thing, what you can do after a little while, is to split your ailerons in half.. Add 2 mini servos, and you have a full house glider at really low cost !  :D
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 19, 2009, 22:34:23 PM
Thank you for your complements gentlemen :D

An old English playwrite, William Shakespeare, once wrote; "To be, or not to be. That, is the question" (Sorry to bore you guys with culture :roll: )

I say; "Flaperons or Spoilerons. THAT is the question!"

Maybe I won't use either and just keep the model in a glass case and look at it from time to time. If I break this one I shall cry! :cry:

The weather is possibly looking okay on Saturday to maiden her. Watch this space!
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 20, 2009, 14:26:10 PM
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/One.jpg)

Yes, there was snow on Big "L" today. And a 20mph wind! But true slopers don't care!

Although a passer-by did ask me what I was doing on a snow covered mountain in a strong wind. When I told him he smiled, wished me luck, and walked off muttering something about 'Mad dogs & Englishmen.'  (I have no idea what he meant :roll: )

Anyway, today was the day,..............to maiden the Phase 6

I had a quick flight with the Filip first,.....just to test lift conditions. It was a VERY quick flight actually. Following a roll, the nose balast came loose, the model became virtually uncontrollable...........and you guessed it..........gravity won the fight :cry:

Undeterred I went back to the car for the Phase 6. (I did wonder if I was being brave,...or just stupid.) (Don't answer that!)

Well, she certainly flys! :clap:  First flight was a bit hairy, I'd forgotten to put any exponential on the controls. She was very "twitchy". Got her down on Tera Firma okay and inputted some Expo'

Second flight was much smoother. As Luke found, these '6s come in very fast. Spoilerons certainly slow her down though. (Thanks Brian)

I've only got the control surfaces on low movement. Now it's time to reset to higher movements. This is where the fun begins. Can't wait till the next flight.

Here follows a few snaps taken during the build,.....for those who are interested :wink:

 (http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Two.jpg)(http://

But will they line up? :!:
[img]http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Three.jpg)

Weight,......I need more weight!!!
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Four.jpg)(http://

I decided to fit extra doublers,......more strength for my landings :oops: [img]http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Five%20To%20have%20doubler.jpg)

This is the fuse with extra doubler(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Six%20doubler%20fitted.jpg)

Following Freds advise I chose "Top hinge" ailerons, using extra strong sellotape as the actual hinge, (Don't laugh Joe) (Private joke lads). So I had to shape the aileron cross section. Thanks for advise Fred. It works fine :D (http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Seven%20aileron%20section.jpg)


It's all starting to come together(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Eight.jpg)


Now to start covering. Tail feathers first I think.
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Nine%20covering%20tail.jpg)


She's starting to look as though she might fly one day(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Ten.jpg)

Bit more to go
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Eleven%20nearly%20there.jpg)

And the rest, as they say,........is history! :D  :D

Many thanks for all the advise and tips guys. Anyone for a spot of flying this weekend???

Keith
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Fred on January 20, 2009, 15:03:52 PM
Very good Keith ! :clap:  :clap:
Congratulations on the maiden flight !
Looks really good on the ground, must sure look good in the air !

And thanks for the additional photos, good to see some activity !  :clap:
I'm off Sunday, but we'll see for Saturday !  :D
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on January 20, 2009, 16:32:12 PM
Hi Keith,
That poor model is shivering in the top photo.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 20, 2009, 22:06:25 PM
Okay Fred, maybe Saturday. I'll look forward to that.

No Brian, the model isn't shivering. It's shaking,.......with excitement at the thought of getting into the air :P
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Alan_Perse on January 21, 2009, 13:19:33 PM
Looks good Keith. Great Job. I like the colour scheme.
By the way, was it difficult to drive to Mt Lenister with the snow? I'd say it would be difficult in some places. Especially where their is steep drop beside the road.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 21, 2009, 14:26:33 PM
Thanks Alan!

There are two roads that lead up to Mt.Lienster. The road you're refering to is the one from Bunclody. I came up the other road from Kiltealy. This road doesn't have those precipice drops off the side, like the one you're refering to.

But yes, it was rather slippery up there in the snow. I've only got a little car, not a 4x4. I found getting up there was not too much bother. However when I came to go home some of the snow under my car had melted and then re-frozen. :?: Getting out of the car park did prove to be a little...... 'difficult', shall we say.  (Sliding around the car park as if the car was doing a waltz :lol: . I'll take some salt with me next time.

The most "interesting" part of the journey was coming down off the mountain. Very slowly, in first gear was the way I did it. Although half way down the ice on the roads turned to liquid, so from there on it was fine

(It's all part of life's great adventure :wink: )

K.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: IceWind on January 25, 2009, 12:00:49 PM
Hi Keith!

That plane looks AWESOME! I love the covering work.
Don't even dare not to make some video of it flying.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on January 31, 2009, 07:31:25 AM
Thank you for your complement Nando, but I'm not very happy with you!

Flattered by your desire to see a movie of my plane, (and enthused with over-confidence,) I thought I'd try to do the same as I had with the "Elite," and film the model while I was flying it.
However,...... this Phase 6 has to be flown, unlike the Elite which just kinda floated around.
The net result is that while trying to get a grip on the camera with my left hand my right hand moved the stick the wrong way!!.......... and I now have a dented '6 :x

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Dented%20Wing.jpg)

And it's all YOUR fault! ( :lol: )

So here's the deal Nando. We'll meet up somewhere and you can hold the camcorder while I fly the plane. (Or, if you're feeling brave, I'll hold the camera and YOU fly the plane.) You can have as much footage as you like then.

(You could intersplice it with some of the shots from one of your onboard camera's. Viewers would never know they were two different models filmed in different locations! :)  :) )

Keith
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: IceWind on February 07, 2009, 10:51:58 AM
Oh....snap!
Sorry to hear that... :-(

But that's a deal... but let's play safe i can hold the cam and you fly.
Also you can put my onboard cam on the phase 6 if you want, it's 36gr.

I haven't touch anything RC in a while. :(
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 07, 2009, 16:57:13 PM
Okay Nando, sounds like a good idea. :clap:

As for the onboard cam I don't see any probs. The model already weighs 300grms more than the recomended weight due to the reinforcing I've fitted in the floor and sides of the fuse, so an extra 36grs shouldn't make any difference. ( It'll just make it fly that little bit faster!) Where shall we put it to get the best views, without upsetting the CoG too much?
I was thinking  of under the nose,.......but the cam might not survive my landing :oops:


Let me know when it's warm enough for you to venture outside again.

K.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 16, 2009, 20:31:25 PM
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Elevator%20angle%20arm%201.jpg)

Okay Guys, let me explain what you are looking at.

It's the tail end of my Phase 6.

The 'fuse is up-side-down, and part of the side has been removed to expose the elevator activator arm. (This arm now has little rust spots on it, and the nylon celvis which is attached to the elevator control rod, can just be seen on top.)
There is a spot weld at the junction of the metal arm and the metal rod which fits into the LE of the elevator. (Covered white)

The problem is that the spot weld has come loose. This allows the elevator to move without the elevator control rod moving.
The matter is further complicated by the fact that the activator arm lies up against the TE of the horizontal stabilizer and the whole assembly of stabilizer, elevator, 'fuse, and the fin and ridder are, of course, all glued in place.

My question is ,................ How the hell do I solve this problem without having to rip half the rear fuse apart? :!:   :?:  :?:

I'm hoping someone out there has some kind of answer. I fear simply dropping some epoxy onto the loose weld in case it also sticks to the back of the stabilizer and or the side of the fuse.

I await some wisdom on this matter fingers crossed,

Keith
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Fred on February 16, 2009, 23:04:33 PM
:!:  :!:  Bugger !
But should be relatively easy to fix.  :?:
If I were you, the best thing to do would be to cut the top clean (to glue it back later, or taped just in case if you need to access it again...) for a good access and use a solder iron to resold everything. I will go with at least a 80W, nothing below that to do it quick and efficiently. You can alway put some flux on the solder iron end to help the process and add more flux in the soldering...
Should only take you 5 minutes to fix, and hopefully for good  :D

Other than that, epoxy, with really thin yano first might be your answer...
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 17, 2009, 09:32:29 AM
Solder? :shock: ,.............you expect to solder steel???

Well you're absolutely right! you cleaver ol' Frenchman you :clap:  :clap:

I would never have thought of that.

In fact, after I posted the problem on this forum I went back to the plane and decided that the original activation arm couldn't be repaired and that the easiest answer to the problem would be to put in a new flexible elevator control arm, and fit an exterior horn onto the elevator. (Major alterations)

But I removed a small section from the side of the fuse, and with a bit of plumbers flux and a very hot 80watt iron...............(as they say in England) "Bobs your uncle!". (Translation - It worked.)
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 17, 2009, 09:35:18 AM
(I've just hit the submit button by mistake)

So thank you very much Fred (again) you're a very useful fellow to know. That tip saved me a great deal of work.

Thank You.

Keith
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Fred on February 17, 2009, 12:41:21 PM
:lol:  You're welcome Keith.
But I tough that was how you did it in the first place (solder)  :?:
Anyway, problem solved now, and Phase 6 back on track !  :clap:
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 22, 2009, 16:38:05 PM
OUCH :(

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Ouch.jpg)

So just how much stress is there on an elevator?

Answer = Too much.

I soldered the elevator arm............she flew fine for a few days ......but today, in front of a new gliding friend I made at the west slope.......the Phase refused to pull out of a dive and went nose first  into the valley floor! :cry:  :cry:  :cry:

It was a long walk of shame I had to make. (Even longer coming back up!)

Well it was good fun while it lasted. I think I'll go for an ARTF model next. Any suggestions?

Met this realy nice guy at the slope. Majic is his name, (probably spelt wrong.) He was there flying a "Starling".( WWW.kwarcinski.com ).  A lovely plane, and,......pay attention Joe..... it's VERY fast, makes a lovely sswiiisssshhh sound as it flys,.....AND all fits into a hold-all bag. Just right for taking on holidays.
Mind you, Majic is an expert flyer. Wot he can't do with that plane aint worth doing. He also says he has over 2000 hours flying full size gliders, so I recon he know's his "onions". (Or garlic's for Fred's benefit.)(Any sign of that baby yet Fred?)

Majic was there with a friend of his who want's to take up Sloping, sensible man I'd say :clap: So hopefully we'll have some more "bodies" on the slope during the coming season.

I'm off to dry my tears :cry:

Keith
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Fred on February 22, 2009, 17:08:52 PM
Feck !  :o
From here, seems relatively easy to repair  :?:

ARTF ? why ? They are no stronger than anything else ! And you can't say "I did it myself !"  :P  :D  Fly the Skua for a little while, the time to repair that one  :D

And welcome to Majic to the world of slope soaring !  :clap:

PS : Still no sign of the baby ! well cooked/overdue now ! Still on high alert !
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: joe on February 22, 2009, 21:16:57 PM
Bugger! Bugger! Bugger!
Looks like it is fixable as Fred says. Take a few days off and then look at it again. I have to cool down for a few days after a crash before I can start thinking about repairs
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 22, 2009, 21:41:20 PM
Yes,.... you may be right Fred. I think I was feeling a bit "Down" when I wrote that last posting.

I know the Phase 6 has been around for many years, but I've lost all confidence in that elevator controll mechanism. I suppose I could fit a standard rod-in-sleeve type and secure a horn on the actuall elevator.
A number of servos have sheared, but they can be replaced, and the rudder/fin can be repaired.

My biggest problem, as I see it, is repairing the wing. the photo doesn't show the full extent of the damage. There is a dent and hole in the leading edge which extends back about 30mm. The wing is distorted behind  the dent where the material was pushed back by the impact. (i.e. the cross section is thicker behind the dent in the wing.) The wing is made of ply over polystyrene.

When she flys she's a really nice plane, so may be I'll leave her alone for a while and come back to her.

How should I tackle the repair of the wing? Polyfiller :shock:

(And tell that wife of yours to hurry up will you. I'm getting impatient!  :lol: )

K.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on February 23, 2009, 09:21:49 AM
Hi Keith,
Once in a lifetime offer !
I will fix your wing.
You do the fuz,, and the covering.

Brian
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 23, 2009, 14:36:44 PM
After a good nights sleep, (and a few tears on my pillow) I think Joe is right. Things look different the next day.

And how could I refuse such a generous offer Brian :clap:  

Are you sure you could fix this?

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Wing.jpg)

Yes, Happy Days is happy again!
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on February 24, 2009, 14:00:23 PM
Hi Keith,
If it's fixable,not compromised back through the section, I can.
We can meet up and it will take a few days.
I'll be in touch.

Brian
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Fred on February 27, 2009, 13:02:17 PM
Quote from: "Happy Days"
(And tell that wife of yours to hurry up will you. I'm getting impatient!  :lol: )

K.


Wait no more Keith !

Niamh is born last night at 00:41  :D  :D

I need a bit of CPR, but I'm fine.

Mother is fine too  :P

See you in 20 years in a slope... :P  [-o<
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Alan_Perse on February 27, 2009, 14:14:08 PM
Félicitations Fred  :D  :D  :D . Don't worry we will find a way to drag you out to the slope some time  :D .
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 27, 2009, 15:32:29 PM
There's an old saying Fred: Better late than never! :lol:

Many congratulations to you and to Mrs. Fred who did all the hard work. :clap:  :clap:  (Well, most of it.)

Now have some rest my friend, and I'll look forward to flying with you again soon and certainly more than once within the next decade!

Keith & Mandy
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: joe on February 27, 2009, 17:32:05 PM
Great news Fred. Well done all round. Congratulations to you and Rachel.
I not worried I'm sure we'll have you out on the slope again soon.
Where there's a will there's a way and all that!
Or in your case "Where there's a HILL there's a way"  :D  :D
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on February 28, 2009, 05:06:54 AM
"Where there's a Hill there's a way" ?

That's a very witty comment Joe :clap:

I can't belive you thought of that  :?:
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: joe on February 28, 2009, 11:21:59 AM
I have my moments Keith. I surprise myself sometimes! :D
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on March 01, 2009, 10:25:20 AM
They say a week is a long time in politics, it's even longer when you're a sloper without a plane! So I've repaired/ modified the Phase 6. I've even fixed the wing! I thought, "If Brian says it's fixable, it must be!" So I did.
I pressed the wing back into shape before filling the hole and bonding it together with a paste of epoxy and micro balloons. Fixed a new piece of LE and used light filler to fill in the remaining dents.

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/start%20of%20wing%20repair.jpg)

Then sanded it down to shape

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Sanded%20wing%20repair.jpg)

And re-covered the repair.

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Finished%20wing%20repair.jpg)
Good as new! (Well, almost)

I through out the original controll rod and closed loop ruder controlls in favour of Sullivan plastic controll rods. Had to cut an access hole in the side of the fuse to fit a mid fusalarge support for the rods. (To stop them flexing during operation)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Mid%20fuse%20rod%20support.jpg)

And I added another support for the rods in the wing saddle area.

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Saddle%20rod%20surport.jpg)



Finally I had to replace the aileron servos. I chose metal geared ones this time. They were a bit smaller than the previous ones.

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Too%20small%20wing%20servo.jpg)



So a few pieces of packing made them fit snugly into the wing, with double sided tape to hold them in place.

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Packed%20wing%20servo.jpg)

I've recovered all the damaged areas and so now it's just a case of putting this bird back up in the sky where she belongs.

I'll be doing than in a couple of hours time with Joe and my new friend who's name I now understand is Maciek. (I met him last week on the slope)

So I'm off to Big L. Wish me luck. (Or better still,.......join me there!)
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on March 09, 2009, 06:29:32 AM
And here is the Phase, after all the trials and tribulations, finally doing what she does best.
(Photo by Maciej)


 (http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Phase%206.jpg)
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Brian on March 09, 2009, 18:27:09 PM
Hi Keith,
It looks better there than in the bin ?? :D .

Brian
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: IceWind on April 14, 2009, 12:39:32 PM
Hi Keith,

What were you using for the elevator control after this last change?
I seen that for the rudder was a pull-pull cable system, but i couldn't understand what it was for the elevator.

Also what size are those snake rods? They look big as a garden hose...
That thing must be solid.

Nando
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on April 14, 2009, 22:42:59 PM
Hi Nando,

Haven't heard from you for a while, I thought may be you'd fallen off the edge of the planet! :lol:

Well, the snakes are 5mm dia.

The old evelator control system was made up of a long piece of 5x10mm section balsa wood control rod which went from the servo, in the nose, to the tail of the fuse.

The rest is a bit difficult to explain.........
 
Fitted into the tail of the fuse was a large "L" shaped lever which pivoted at the corner of the "L" (The part where the vertical bit of the "L" joins the horizontal bit of the "L".)

Imagine the wooden control rod being attached to the top of the "L" lever. As the control rod moved the top of the "L"forwards and backwards,......the bottom part of the "L" moved up and down. The elevator was fixed to that bottom part of the "L".

In my view it was a clumsy way of working the elevator. I've had no problems at all with the snakes. I think they look big because of the angle of the camera when I took the picture.

The plane is a very solid old bird (bit like the wife :wink: ) if only because of the re-enforcing I've put into it. She's had many crashes,...(the plane, not the wife) and she still flys. (Definitely the plane not the wife! :lol: )

So that's the story,..........when are we gonna see your happy smiling face on the slope again?

K.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: IceWind on April 15, 2009, 00:10:31 AM
Nop here i am!
Still on the earth... i think!

You always make me chuckle with your descriptions. :-)

I'm been off from RC from some months, but I'm back. :)
Weather is warmer so no risk of freezing myself  on some slope.

Most important i took the dust out of the tools and started finishing all the planes i have here. Started with the poor Phase 4, poor because it belongs to the skies not to some dusty shelf.
So i finished covering the wing, and fit the rest of the parts needed. That's when i saw your post and remembered the type of control the Phase 4 has and i wondered about the type you had in your Phase 6.

About the snake rod i know it's the camera angle, but i wasn't getting the approximate size you're using.

About the L shaped control if i got it right, it should be good.
If not mistaken Fred's wasabi uses the same method.
Maybe the problem was the servo.

Thanks for the explanation.
I hope to see you soon at a slope! :)

Nando
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: Happy Days on April 15, 2009, 07:02:38 AM
WHAT! :shock: :shock:  .........National Alert!! Call out the Garda,.......and the Air Force!...................Nando has been actually repairing a plane!!! :clap:  :clap:

About time too. There is a fly-in coming up at Mt. Leinster in May. I expect to see your Phase 4 airborne there. (You can stick your flight cam on it.....That'd be cool. :D )

So keep up the good work Nando, and I hope to see you flying something other than a powered wing :wink:

K.
Title: Prob building Phase 6 fuselarge.
Post by: IceWind on April 15, 2009, 15:34:25 PM
I have the T1000, it is ok but i need to check the balance and give it some color.

Maybe draw some teeth to bit the arses of those nasty skua's!  8)