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Planes => Indoor => Topic started by: Happy Days on November 07, 2009, 15:52:49 PM
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Brian, myself and a couple of others have arranged for the hiring of a GAA hall for the purpose of indoor flying at a location just outside of the village of Kiltealy. (Kiltealy lies behind Mt. Lienster about 10minutes drive from the Nine Stones car park.)
The hall is 60mtrs x 30mtrs with a high ceiling. All windows are up high and have metal grills over them, as do the 10Kw of internal lights. :D
We are hoping to have our first flight there tomorrow morning. 8) Thereafter we have use of the hall on Thursday nights and Sunday mornings, each week until the Spring.
If anyone would like to join us on a regular basis then please let either Brian or myself know. ( We could do with some expert guidance :roll: )
Wish us luck! :lol:
Keith
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Congratulations Keith!
Those are really excellent news, I maybe wrong but it seemed that indoor wasn't much popular around here.
But it seems to be turning around what is great. :-)
I'd love to join you guys so let me know what's needed.
I'll probably could only join on Sunday's and not all due to the distance. :(
( unless i skip work on Thursday's :o) )
Still I wish you guys all the fun!
Nando
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Hey Nando, I’m not sure what you’re intending to do. Do you think you’ll be flying with us every Sunday,…or just on the odd occasion? :?:
What we’d really like is for someone to commit to a regular attendance. :D The reason being that my three fellow pilots and I have had to cough up some serious amounts of money each :( to pay (Pro Forma) for the hire of the hall until the Spring. So if you were going to use the hall regularly we’d ask you to ‘chip in’ with an up front payment.
If you only want to fly on the odd occasion then that could probably be arranged, (we are limited to how many “visiting” pilots can be there at any one time)…..not sure what the cost for a couple of hour period would be, I’d have to consult with my colleges.
Today we spent a lot of time crashing, laughing, repairing, and adjusting our planes. It’s a very different discipline to any other flying we’ve done! Great fun though, and for those who feel the cold, relatively warm. :)
The only thing I should point out is that the floor of this hall is laid with Astroturf. The tiny wheels of most indoor planes just dig in to the surface and the plane goes nose over. :oops: We found hand launching was best for take off, and for landing,…………remove the wheels and fit skids. (preferably before the model has taken off :roll: ) Plastic spoons do the trick nicely! :lol:
No one bought a camera with them today. :!: I’ll post some picies when we get some.
K.
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Hi Keith.
I'd love to drop over and take a look on Thurday if there's room for one more? I'd be happy to chip in whatever you think is fair. I'm not sure how long the run from Kilkenny to Kilteally would take but I might be interested in heading over every Thursday until Christmas. Not sure after that because I'm planning to move over towards Cahir or Clonmel and that'd leave me with a long drive!
Aidan
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Hi Aiden, Please do drop in on Thursday, we could all do with some of your expert guidance. :clap: None of us have ever done any indoor flying before so we’re rather like the blind leading the blind! Come and see what you think of the venue, and if you want to make it a regular thing we’ll come to some arrangement vis cost. (We might give you a discount if you teach us how to fly as well as you can! :wink: )
I’ve only been to Kilkenny a couple of times so I have no real idea how long the journey would take. Not too long I shouldn’t think, Kilkenny and Kiltealy are only about three of centimetres apart,……………. on my map! :lol:
So how to get there?????…………………
The GAA hall is in the townsland of Coolree. It’s known as the Duffry Rovers Hall. To get there from the village of Kiltealy………….
In Kiltealy there is a little post office. Running along the side of the post office is a road that does Down a hill.
Go down that down hill road until you come to a cross roads junction.
Go straight across the cross roads.
After about a mile you come to a “offset” cross roads junction. (The roads don’t meet exactly opposite each other.) You want to go “straight ahead” but to do so you have to first turn right for a few meters and then turn left……….(a kind of zig-zag.)
Continue along that road for about a mile and the Duffry Rovers GAA hall is on your left.
I’ll send you a pm. with my phone number although I’m not too sure if I’ll be there this Thursday night. The model I’ve got has proved to be a bit too fast for this indoor lark. :oops: I’ve ordered a different one but I don’t know if it’ll be ready in time for Thursday night, :!: but the other flyers will be there.
If anybody else would like to “Pop In" they’d be very welcome.
K.
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Thanks Keith.
I'll plan to head over on Thursday. What time?
Just a quick disclaimer: I'm no expert pilot! I can do a bit of hovering and aerobatics and avoid the walls most of the time but with a regular venue you'll match that in no time. I can possibly help out on the technical side :?:
I reckon Richard can show you some good indoor flying in Cork.
The secret of indoor flying is to fly a slow, manoeuverable plane, make good use of your rudder and throttle and figure out how to hover for when you need to stop!
Aidan
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Okay Aiden, the time booked is 7 - 9 (ish)pm
Glad you're able to avoid the walls. I found difficulty missing the floor, and Brian assulted the roof girders a couple of times :lol:
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Hi,
Well Keith,now you know,I like to get it up there !!.
I assaulted the roof the floor, Brendan & I.
Question; I have a hacker 10-15s and an expressfly/turnigy ESC.
; What is best timing setting for max power ??
Brian
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Good news guys ! :clap:
So, that mean we can have an indoor session in the morning, then going flying at the slope ? :D
Sound good to me !
On a side note, as for what Nando was saying about indoor over here, me too was surprised when I arrived here that indoor was almost not done... Found out why very quick;y... 60 quids an hours for some indoor venue ! :shock: :shock:
Take my small village where I come from... Indoor gymnasium, have it for free if you are registered in the village.. And that is the case everywhere, all free ! (well, your local taxes are paying for it already... but all sports clubs can use the facilities for free...) Just go to the Mairie, and book for some hours, or a day or two... :D
That was my grumpy moment here... :P
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I use that motor with Phoenix 10 and Hacker X-5 ESCs. I use default timing on both and I'm happy with them. I've messed around with the throttle response, brake, etc but never bothered changing the timing.
I use 2s lipos from 250mAh to 350mAh and either 7x3.5 or 8x4.3 GWS props. The 7x3.5 is okay on a 125g or lighter plane with decent cells but is a bit marginal on anything heavier. I've started using the 8x4.3 recently and I prefer it. Plenty power for 135g planes and should be okay for slightly heavier stuff too. Probably best to avoid lots of full throttle with this prop! - it's pushing the motor pretty hard.
The 8x4.3 GWS props do need balancing!
What props and cells are you using?
Aidan
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Hi Aidan,
Gws 7x3,5 and new TP350 and FP350's.
Not run in yet.
I know ,within reason, that a bigger prop will help but only for a minute or so. Then the pack volts will drop off .
My model is 150g.
I still would like info,, on best timing setting ??
Brian.
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I think an 8x4HD or 8x4.3RS prop is probably the answer.
I don't think anyone's getting enough power for a 150g plane with the A10-15s on 7x3.5 and 2s. If you increase the advance to increase power you'll draw more current anyway so the end result probably won't be any better than a larger prop as far as the cells are concerned.
I'd expect you to have enough thrust for vertical climbs at the end of a 4 minute flight with those 350mAh packs and the 8x4.3.
I think I've a spare 8x4 and 8x4.3 that I can bring on Thursday for you to try if you don't have any. If not I'll definitely have some on Saturday.
I don't think I've ever seen timing figures given for these but if i do I'll let you know.
Aidan
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Slight change of plan lads.
We’ve just been advised that our flying night has been changed from Thursday to Friday nights from 7 - 9pm. It seems that due to a mix up, Thursday nights the hall is used for Hurling :shock:
So, are you okay for Friday Aiden?
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Hey Keith,
That is correct I'd probably would only join from time to time and definetly not on a regular basis.
Well I'm happy either way that indoor is showing up more. :-)
Like Fred said I found odd not happening more here, while I was used to having problems was to choose to what place to go on the weekends during winter. As even city councils would contact clubs to organize events during some city celebrations or clubs itself organizing those. I guess they relaized it was much safer having a bunch of people flying some fragile foam planes that avoid at all cost to hit anything than people playing ball and hitting all around.
Brian, the trimming goes related to the motor pole count and usage. Usually the esc manufactures include in the instructions the recommended setting for specific brands of motors/ pole count.
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Slight change of plan lads.
We’ve just been advised that our flying night has been changed from Thursday to Friday nights from 7 - 9pm. It seems that due to a mix up, Thursday nights the hall is used for Hurling :shock:
So, are you okay for Friday Aiden?
Doh!
Thursday suited me much better.
I probably won't be able to make it regularly on Fridays.
Not sure about this week.
Aidan
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Hi Aidan,
Thanks, I've just ordered some 8x4 & 8x4.3's.
The new packs may be part of the problem as well, my 5000's always take 10 to 15 cycles to get going properly.
The ESC default is 'soft' so I'll try medium later in the week.
This indoor flying is good fun, a real do or die scene.
Make an effort for Fri,, .We got a good deal on the hall but we are the 2'nd cousins there,with GAA activity coming first.
Our official time is 7 to 9 but we may be able to squeeze in after 6.00pm.It would be a pity if you missed out.
Any interest in Sun,, mornings ??.
Brian
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Hi Aidan,
I got those props today.
You are correct about the out of balance.
However they do seem to pull more but the motor gets warm quickly at high power level. I hope it will be ok.
We'll see of Fri,, or Sun,, .
It will take 30 mins approx for you to get over.
Brian
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Hi Aiden,
Hope you can make it over to wexford soon, I'm one of the other pretend pilots flying a breeze pro had my maiden flights last sun, great fun and a completely different style of flying,
Dessie
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Hey Brian, here’s an idea to get your motor running as efficiently as poss…………
Fit the prop that you want to fly with, and measure the rpm of the prop while also measuring the current being drawn from the battery, at a given throttle setting.
Change the timing and check both prop speed and current drain again.
I’m thinking that the timing setting that produces the lowest current drain for a given prop speed must be the most efficient one. :?:
Dessie, :shock: …….what are you doing on this forum???
THIS forum is for civilized pilots, not power hungry morons who fly “Breezes” at people! :lol: :lol: (Not that I can talk, following my performance last Sunday. :oops: :oops: )
My new plane still hasn’t arrived. Don’t think I’ll be flying indoors this Friday night I’m afraid. :cry:
K.
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Hi Aidan,
I got those props today.
You are correct about the out of balance.
However they do seem to pull more but the motor gets warm quickly at high power level. I hope it will be ok.
It should be fine providing you're not spending long at full throttle. I'm sure that won't be a problem indoors but be careful if you fly it outdoors too.
Aidan
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Hi K,
I'm feeling very hurt that you called me a 'moron' (person with a mental age between 8 and 12) you are pretty accurate and I hope I never grow up, cos if I do, what will I do with all the toys I have in the garage!!!!!
I heard you got a new plane and are building, what is it? and any chance you'll be ready for fri night.
D.
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1/Give them to ME of course! :D
2/It’s a Pipe……………….. Bipe. Seeing as how slow, is the way to go, I thought nothing flys slower than a Biplane. And anyway, why fly a plane with one wing when I can fly a plane with two!
Wing = 755mm
Weight……probably around the 170g mark
Motor = E-Flight 250 weighing 14g with a 2200Kv swinging an 8x4.3 prop
Battery = 2S 450mah
EPP fuse with Depron flying surfaces.
Slight ‘fly in the ointment’ is that the dam plane only arrived today. SMC promise me that the motor, esc, props and servos will be with me before the weekend but I’m not sure that means I’ll be flying Friday night. Will you be all right? without me there to hold your hand! :lol:
Keith
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K,
Not sure if I'll be ok without u, or even with you there, Thats a lot of building in one day if the bits arrive. But I still hope to see ya there.
Really looking forward to this weekend flying, finding it lots of fun.
I ordered a plane etc for Brendan should have all the bits by Friday, so he should be ready to go by friday next, he wanted the Kosmos and I got one for myself for when I write off the Breeze Pro. will try to take some video clips etc on friday and sunday so we can post them.
D
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Kosmos from Topmodel, in France. Very sensible. :clap:
Incidentally I like the little “stick” practice plane they sell. I could fly one of those without any problems at all! (I think) :oops:
I noticed that the building instructions are in pigeon English….Good luck!
I’ve got the same problem with my Pipe. i.e. “Secure rudder servo to fuse.” I’m left thinking, “Okay, but where should I attach the servo to the fuse? And how should I attach it?” :roll:
(I mustn’t be nasty about Frenchmen,……..The moderator of this Forum (Fred) is French. He’s also designing me a glider……..when he gets the time!) :wink:
Don’t think I’m gonna be there Friday Dessie,………..See y’ Sunday.
K.
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Careful Keith.... :P :P
Alright, I made this thread a sticky, good to know for new comers where to find indoor venues ! :D
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Hi guys,
I might try and swing by tomorrow night for a while if that's okay?
I'm planning to move from Kilkenny to Clonmel (where I work) and I'm having a look at some rental places after work but if I'm doing okay for time and I'm not knackered after that I'll head over to Kilteally.
If not I'll see you Saturday....
Aidan
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Hi Aiden,
If you're coming by tomorrow night be aware that the time has been changed to............ 6 till 8pm
Keith
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You're out to get me!
I might make it by 7. We'll see!
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Careful Keith.... :P :P
Alright, I made this thread a sticky, good to know for new comers where to find indoor venues ! :D
Fred perhaps change the title to something like ;' New Indoor Venues ' or ' Indoor Venues '.
Brian
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Hey Brian,
Changed to "New Indoor Venues", is that OK ? :?:
And don't forget to take photos tomorrow ! :D
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Is there any indoor activity north of Liffey (North Co.Dublin) ?
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So here are some picies of this morning activities at the Kiltealy indoor flying venue.
This is the venue from the Outside
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Front%20outside.jpg)
And the Inside………
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Inside.jpg)
Alas my little stills camera was unsuccessful in clearly snaping the models flying, all the still pictures were blurred. But there is a few seconds worth of movie at the end of this posting.
Here is the model line up.
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Model%20line%20up.jpg)
This is Dessie looking rather worried.
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Dessie%21%21%21.jpg)
Because this is what happened to his plane a few seconds later. OOOPPPPssss
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/OOOPPPSS.jpg)
Brendan always looks as though he’s crapping himself when he flys. (I have to admit that I often crap myself when he flys!) Can you spot the Heli in the far corner?
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Brendan%20craping%202.jpg)
After a number of little catastrophes’ the lads decided that a little help from the All Mighty might prove useful. So a quick prayer time has organised.
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Praying.jpg)
Feeling much more confident Brian showed his son, Chris, how it’s done. (Chris is the little fella)
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Bit%20of%20Father%20%26%20Son%20bonding.jpg)
Here's the little movie. (I hope) http://vimeo.com/7756466
Keith
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Kieth,
that place looks huge, you are a lucky bunch. What is it? an indoor soccer hall?
D
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Dave, I’m not a sports person at all,…….I think the hall is used for hurling. It certainly is big, except when I’m flying………then suddenly it gets much smaller :?: Strange ain't it!
K.
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I was over for a visit a week back - thanks guys! - and yes it is a huge hall.
Superb venue for indoor flying. The only downside is the astroturf. It's pretty rough for taxiing and not as forgiving as a wood floor when you clip it! You slide or bounce on a smooth floor but the astroturf seems to grab you. Still, that's not a showstopper.
Aidan
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Hi K,
Thanks for showing a pic of my plane in it's death throes. Well at least it has had over 40 flights over the last few weeks, a bit difficult to do a half loop from inverted from 8 feet, I'm more used to doing it from 250 to 70 feet. I should have pushed it higher before I decided to go lower!!!!! Also used to having at least 1Kw of Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How is your model have you got the undercarriage fixed yet?
Nice model you should have shown a pic, pity you didn't really get a proper flight with it yet.
D.
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Hey Dessie,…………sorry about the picie of your plane. :oops: I didn’t get a chance to photo it before tragedy had struck. I was very impressed that you got it flying again that morning. What a cleaver fellow you are! :clap:
Yea’ I’ve sorted the undercarriage on mine. I like to believe that sometimes I think “outside the box” So I’ve removed it altogether. :shock: (I’ve got seven gliders that all land without any undercarriage, so why shouldn’t this little foamy!)
I’ve stuck a piece of EPP on the bottom of the Fuse’ to act as a skid. It’s secured with a small piece of 3mm flat section carbon, half inserted into the fuse and half into the skid. I’ve stuck some cellotape on the bottom of the skid to make it smooth enough to slide and not snag on the Astroturf.
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Happy%20Days/Pipe.jpg)
She definitely flew much better with the smaller prop. Pity the undercarriage didn’t “stay the course!” :cry:
Now lets see what damage I can do on Friday. :lol:
K.
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Hi K,
Well you wont be able to pull your undercarriage now!!!!!
Hopefully will work well for you, the landings are very slow and I think we will always have to hand launch off the astroturf unless we fit a 200watt motor!!!! :shock: :shock:
I hope to have me Kosmos ready for Friday as the Breeze has been retired, a mixture of foam eaten away with activator and too many repairs. I am very impressed with the Kosmos kit, more expensive but so far I think well worth it,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,we shall see on Friday :P :P :P
D.
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Is there any indoor activity north of Liffey (North Co.Dublin) ?
Hi,
Indoor flying in Dublin every Wed night 7 to 10pm;
Oldbawn Community School sports hall.
Visitors/Enquiries welcome.
Contact; Dave Yast;
087/1365934
www.discount-rc-toys.com
Brian