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Horten flying wing :)
« on: February 23, 2018, 20:08:32 PM »
Saw the 3D printer doing nothing today, so I got it busy by printing a small horten wing that will join my small scale model collection.
A bit of filler and paint, and that should not look too bad!
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2018, 20:31:18 PM »
Do you remember that guy from Germany (can't remember his name :-\) who had built a couple of Horten wings and flew them during Retroplane Ireland?
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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2018, 22:29:12 PM »
Hi Keith,

I do remember :) Great evenings at the slope with the Germans! It was Lothar Mentz.

But from the German crew, I have a very sad news unfortunately :( Walter Wachtler passed away unexpectedly on Sunday  :'(
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« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2018, 18:47:56 PM »
Lothar! that was the man. Very nice guy. ( but then they all were.)

As for Walter,.....I don't remember him by name although I'd probably remember his face. Sad news, poor chap.

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« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2018, 20:53:42 PM »
Hej Keith,

but I still remember You... My wife Heidi often talks about Your Landy... You still drive it?

Walter W. was from Austria. He wasn't with us in Ireland.

By the way Fred, Your printing job looks neat.

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« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2018, 22:46:57 PM »
Well, I'm very pleased to hear from you my friend Lothar! (My compliments to Heidi as well.)

I too think of you from time to time.  I have an old friend in England (David) who absolutely loves working with wood. Whenever I talk to him I think of yourself as I believe are also 'in love' with wood. (Although not as much in love as with Heidi of course!)

David has a wooden built workshop at the bottom of his garden and insists that he only works with quality hard woods, Oak, Teak ect. He always insists that he only allows "quality" (Hard) wood inside his workshop.
One day a friend of his walked into the workshop with some pine wood and asked David to turn them into banister rods. David raised his voice and said, "Get that crap out of here, I don't allow Pine in my workshop!"
His friend paused for a moment and looked around before replying. " But this workshop is made of Pine."
David couldn't think of anything to answer the fact, and just went very red in the face, Ha!

As for my old Land Rover, yes it still starts 'on the button' so to speak. Never lets me down. However it also leaks oil like a sieve, and when going up any kind of hill, it lays down a smoke screen that a WWII battleship would have been proud of! ;D

Good to hear from you again Lothar.
My kindest regards to you both,

Keith
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2018, 07:48:53 AM »
Hey Lothar, very good to hear from you! Hope all is well  :)
Apologies, I am getting old! Walter was from Austria indeed, and not in Ireland!  :'(

While I'm with you, I printed this Horten wing as I was looking for documentation...
I am looking at designing a Horten III (F) or Horten X. Would you know of a good "3" views? and if I push my luck, how the Horten profile works?
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2018, 06:25:22 AM »
Well Keith,

I too believe, that pine is a not bad wood. The spars of my planes are made from pine, and the planks of my sailboat (15sqm Yacht) are from Oregon pine. Not everything should be made from oak and Teak....

please have a look here:

http://www.segelbootrefit.de/wordpress/2015/06/

I got the boat from an old man in Sweden, who wasn't any more able to take care of here. This grand old Lady is from 1939. After two years of renovating she looks nearly good enaugh for my standards. She sails great.

Nice to read, that lots of things didn't change in Ireland. Are You still active on Mt.Leinster and on Your little airfield? I believe some day I have to go to Ireland again. I just reactivated my planes some weeks ago and started flying again after 5 years of abstinece. It's exciting after such a long time;-)

Fred:

I will have a look for drawing or something similar. The aerodynamics are a bit complicated. You need in normal flight something like a bell shaped lift over the wing...

May be You translate with google the Tutorial for the Nurfl├╝gel Programm.

http://www.rc-network.de/magazin/artikel_10/art_10-059/art_059-01.html

For me it's some years ago and I today wouldn't be able to design such a plane properly. I need to learn again...

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« Reply #8 on: February 28, 2018, 23:50:13 PM »
Where I came from in England we have an expression, "Bloody Hell  "
It's used when a person is suddenly confronted by something that is surprising and amazing. I looked at Solgun on my computer and said (out loud) Bloody Hell!  :D
I'm sure the last time we exchanged emails you were building a model of a Swedish sloop. ( Perhaps it was a model of Solgun? I can't remember.) But now you have a full size version. That is wonderful !
I assume you sail her wearing a while polar neck sweater, a captains peek hat and an anchor tattooed on your right forearm, yes? :)
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« Reply #9 on: March 01, 2018, 08:52:30 AM »
well, it's the wrong thread.. but chatting a bit must be allowed....

No Keith, no captains peek and white sneaker and I haven't any tatoos... But the grand old lady puts the cream on the cake in sailing. She was designed, when the baots where built for sailing, not for living on them. Otherwise no toilett, no kitchen only two beds, so there is no comfort.

Yes, I bought her as a nearly wreck, after building (and designing) several models of swedish squaremeter yachts. So after a while I got the Idea to sail such a boat in scale 1:1. Whereever we trailer her, people love this boat. She's a real beauty.

But now I started again in flying models. The next Plane will be a Pilatus B4 with 4m Span.

The last weeks I was successfull in flying my old Horten Models. So the future looks great. When there is Wind, I will be on river Weser, if there is no wind, You will find me on the airfield;-)

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« Reply #10 on: March 01, 2018, 14:06:21 PM »
And for Fred:

Have a look at scalesoaring uk. There in the Document area is a Horten IIIE for a motorized plane. The shape of the Wing should be the same as for the B,C, D and so on. Also the flaps and ailerons should be a bit differen, but it shouldn't be a problem for You, to adjust the drawings a bit.

I believe this construction will fly nice.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_H_III#/media/File:KN_Horten_H_III-variants.jpg

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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2018, 08:51:47 AM »
Many thanks Lothar for the links.

And please, discuss away, it's all interesting!  :)

I don't know why I did not looked at Wikipedia! Thanks for the 3 views, now I see the difference. I think I'll try to design something, the challenge is interesting, even if I think it will most certainly crash and burn :)

Anyway, good to have you back here, always a pleasure to read you.  :)
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