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Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: rogallo on October 13, 2009, 10:20:57 AM: Dust off the depron CMAC indoor flyin 14th Nov 2009.
Hall in Middleton Co. Cork from 1.00p.m. till 6.
Freeflight, RC planes and helicopters all welcome
There will be a small fee for the cost of the hall.
Plenty of home baking to eat on the day.
All Welcome ,

Ralph McCarthy
CMAC

087 8322791 for more info or directions
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Richard Boyd on October 14, 2009, 08:11:17 AM: Hi Ralph, if I am free that weekend I may come visit you all for some of that home baking ! Food and flying goes well together.

Richard
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: rogallo on October 15, 2009, 08:57:41 AM: Looking forward to seeing old and new faces
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DaveMc on October 26, 2009, 17:52:27 PM: Count me in Ralph, I have never flown indoor. Looking forward to smashing a couple of models into a wall... :)

D
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: IceWind on October 27, 2009, 22:09:14 PM: :(
Cork is a bit too far... still best of luck for the event!
And don't forget to post some pics after.
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: rogallo on October 28, 2009, 09:16:33 AM: Pity there does not seem to be more interest, Maybe Dave might bring along some of his famous http://sallymillsbakery.com/ muffins? nice website Dave
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Alan_Perse on October 28, 2009, 10:14:13 AM: Mmmmm Chocolate Fudge cake =P~ =P~ =P~ =P~ =P~ :D :D
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Happy Days on October 28, 2009, 11:54:05 AM: Well,…….. I’ve just brought a little indoor flyer. 8)

Don’t know if it’ll be ready by then, there’s a lot of work going on in the workshop right now. :!:
But,……… :?: if it’s flyable, and if someone promises’ to hold my hand, and everyone promises’ not to laugh at me when I crash………I might come down to Cork,......... and eat some Buns. :D (Yummy-Yum-Yums.)

Keith
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on October 28, 2009, 14:18:37 PM: Hi Ralph,

I'll be there! I think Stu and Eanna are coming too.
Time to dust off the depron. They hardly got an outing last year!

Dave,

You won't regret giving it a go. Indoor is a little nerve racking at first but you'll get the hang of it quickly and it's great fun. There's no better way to improve your flying, it's especially good for getting you better acquainted with the throttle and rudder.

Aidan
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: rogallo on October 28, 2009, 14:29:02 PM: Is there an Index 3.0 or maybe 4.0 yet?
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on October 28, 2009, 14:37:00 PM: There's an Index 3.0 prototype.
It only had one outing at the end of last season. It flew well but needs some tuning. I'm hoping to get a chance to fly it again before Cork.
Did you build an Index 2.2?

Aidan
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: rogallo on October 28, 2009, 14:39:06 PM: Just finishing for two weeks time

Will fly it before the indoor
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on October 28, 2009, 17:18:14 PM: Quote from: "rogallo"
Just finishing for two weeks time

Will fly it before the indoor

Great.
I think Eanna and Stu will have F3P planes too, as I'm sure will Richard if he's coming. Should we agree a simple F3P schedule for an informal competition?! :wink: (....not sure we should let Richard play, he'll just make us look silly :?: )
I'll be bringing my original 2.2 and the 3. I might throw together an EPP delta for messing around if I get time.
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DaveMc on October 28, 2009, 20:23:05 PM: No prob on the buns front ralph. I will bring some along. This will no doubt make me completely immune to the un merciful slagging when my model smashes into a wall 30 seconds after take off.... :lol:

Anyway the only indoor model i own is a GWS tigermoth. this is the larger version but it is all foam and is a pretty slow flyer. I think I should be able to manage a couple of indoor flights with it. At least it says it is suitable to fly indoors on the box... :?:
I also have a little foam cessna park flyer. but it could be a little fast for indoors. Might leave that one at home.

As for that F3P stuff. Way out of my league at the moment. But cant wait to see one of them fly.

D
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on October 29, 2009, 10:44:15 AM: Quote from: "DaveMc"
...As for that F3P stuff. Way out of my league at the moment. But cant wait to see one of them fly...

I reckon the F3P style planes are probably the easiest planes to fly indoors. Not so easy to perform an F3P schedule with them though!

Aidan
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Brian on October 29, 2009, 11:15:07 AM: Hi Aidan,
Where in Killkenny are you.
Are you in a club there.

Brian
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: rogallo on October 29, 2009, 11:23:17 AM: Dave,
as Aidan said, the shockflyers and the like are easy to fly indoors. The Tiger Moth is excellent too, just use the rudder to turn and not elev ail combo.
Looking forward to seeing everyone.

Ralph
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: IceWind on October 29, 2009, 11:28:45 AM: Hi DaveMc,

You mean from GWs the TM-400 the full foam wing or the smaller brother P-TM?
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DaveMc on October 29, 2009, 11:56:08 AM: Icewind

Yeah thats the one. the bigger one.

I decided to get on board with this indoor lark. It sounds like lots of fun so I just purchased a Dualsky Breeze Pro. Reckon I will get it built in time if Als hobbies gets it over to me ASAP. Should be a fun experience.

Don't see myself having much problem with the moth indoors. It is a very stable model and can be flown at snails pace.

Looking forward to the craic!!
D.
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: IceWind on October 29, 2009, 13:00:13 PM: :)
It was curiosity, as I love that plane.
I have one but it won't be good for indoor, too heavy with all teh paint and re-enforcements I add to it to hold the motor upgrade.

(http://gallery.frozzen.com/albums/upload/normal_DSC00660.JPG)
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on October 29, 2009, 13:24:04 PM: Quote from: "Brian"
Hi Aidan,
Where in Killkenny are you.
Are you in a club there.

Brian

Hi Brian,

I'm living a few minutes walk from the centre of town on the Kells road. I'm not in a club in Kilkenny. I generally head up to Kildare at the weekends and do most of my flying there, although not enough.

Aidan
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on October 29, 2009, 13:49:20 PM: Quote from: "DaveMc"
...I decided to get on board with this indoor lark. It sounds like lots of fun so I just purchased a Dualsky Breeze Pro. Reckon I will get it built in time if Als hobbies gets it over to me ASAP. Should be a fun experience...

That's great. The important thing now is to build it light. Resist any urge you might have to reinforce anything or use lots of adhesive! The weight range given for the Breeze is on the high side - you'll enjoy it much more if you can keep it around 120g to 135g. This style of plane does fly much better when they're light and in reality the heavier they are the more damage they usually end up with.

Have you decided what motor, cells and servos you'll use?
Typical weights for a plane this size are:
Motor: 15g
ESC: <8g
Cells: 12g to 22g
Servos: 4g to 6g each

If you want any suggestions for components let us know!

Aidan
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DaveMc on October 29, 2009, 18:55:29 PM: Aidan,
I went with the recommended setup as per Al's Hobbies. The same components were used on a built review of the model in Rc Groups and the guy there was very pleased with it. There was a U tube link to see him fly it aswell and from what I saw it looked excellent.... at least in his hands anyway. So I went for that same setup.

motor : DualSky 80W Motor - 1780Kv (XM2812CA-27)
Prop : APC Electric Propeller - 8x4
Battery : DualSky X-Power 250mAh 11.1v SL Li-Po (3s1p) (16C)
I also have : Tunder Power 2 cell 450maH Li-Po

Receiver : Hitec HFS-05MS Micro 35MHz Receiver
Servos 3 : Blue Arrow 4.3g Micro-servo
ESC : DualSky 6A 2-3 cells Brushless Speed Controller

I have no idea about the weights of this gear.
As for building. I presume foam safe CA and tape is the way to go?? Any advice on this appreciated

Thanks
D
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DaveMc on October 29, 2009, 18:58:55 PM: Icewind,

Nice job on the Moth. I left my model in stock configuration as it came out of the box. I did upgrade the battery and ESC to 3Cell 1000mAh Li-Po. Made the world of difference to flying the model. I also have mine on Floats and I fly great off Water.

My wings are slightly warped. Did you have any problems with yours. Did you beef up the interplane struts? Otherwise I found it to be a pretty good Model for the money

D
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on October 29, 2009, 20:57:23 PM: Quote from: "DaveMc"
Aidan,
I went with the recommended setup as per Al's Hobbies. The same components were used on a built review of the model in Rc Groups and the guy there was very pleased with it. There was a U tube link to see him fly it aswell and from what I saw it looked excellent.... at least in his hands anyway. So I went for that same setup.

motor : DualSky 80W Motor - 1780Kv (XM2812CA-27)
Prop : APC Electric Propeller - 8x4
Battery : DualSky X-Power 250mAh 11.1v SL Li-Po (3s1p) (16C)
I also have : Tunder Power 2 cell 450maH Li-Po

Receiver : Hitec HFS-05MS Micro 35MHz Receiver
Servos 3 : Blue Arrow 4.3g Micro-servo
ESC : DualSky 6A 2-3 cells Brushless Speed Controller

I have no idea about the weights of this gear.
As for building. I presume foam safe CA and tape is the way to go?? Any advice on this appreciated

Thanks
D

That motor weighs about 20g and the cells are around 24g so just a little on the heavy side but it'll fly just fine.

Yep, foam safe CA is the way to go. Tape should only be necessary for the hinges.

Aidan
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: IceWind on October 30, 2009, 10:22:25 AM: Quote from: "DaveMc"
Icewind,

Nice job on the Moth. I left my model in stock configuration as it came out of the box. I did upgrade the battery and ESC to 3Cell 1000mAh Li-Po. Made the world of difference to flying the model. I also have mine on Floats and I fly great off Water.

My wings are slightly warped. Did you have any problems with yours. Did you beef up the interplane struts? Otherwise I found it to be a pretty good Model for the money

D

Thanks.
Yes I did, better than explain have a look.

(http://gallery.frozzen.com/albums/userpics/10001/normal_IMG_0045_%28Large%29.JPG)

I run mine stock for long time, but right from start I had in mind chaning later to brushless. But even with stock i read reports of what you say so i decided to re-enforce the upper wing middle section.

I also made in ply all the plastic struts, the stock ones were all bent and ugly.

(http://gallery.frozzen.com/albums/upload/normal_DSC00567.JPG)

I love this plane, it was my first ailerons plane. Except for just getting used to the very responsive elevator I had no problems flying it right form start.

Btw, seems were hijacking this thread! :( Sorry.
I guess this should move to a TM-400 related thread I bet there is more out there than have one as well.
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on November 04, 2009, 13:51:35 PM: Quote from: "rogallo"
Is there an Index 3.0 or maybe 4.0 yet?

Hi Ralph,

I got a few test flights done with the Index 3 last weekend and I'm pretty happy with it so far. I'll be bringing this and the Index 2.2 to Cork and will fly them whenever the airspace looks safe-ish! I still have to build myself something EPP for when things get crowded.

I'll have the plans ready in the next day or two if anyone's interested.
They'll be going up on RCGroups but I can post them here too or provide a link.

Aidan

Here's a some pictures of the Index series to date.

Original Index
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Aidan/Index.jpg)
Index 2 (completely new design)
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Aidan/Index%202.jpg)
Index 2b (slightly modified version of Index 2)
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Aidan/Index%202.1.jpg)
Index 2.2 (2.1 was a larger version of Index 2 and this same airframe was modified again to change side area becoming Index 2.2 pictured)
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Aidan/Index%202.2.jpg)
The new one. It's a new design but proportions are pretty similar to version 2.2. I don't have a shot of it fully built yet.
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Aidan/Index%203.JPG)
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Richard Boyd on November 11, 2009, 09:22:16 AM: Hi Guys, looks like I will be going down to Cork for some fun flying !
What time do you start flying and what time do you wrap up at ?
I'm doing the trip in one day ! ouch
I have a few friends fighting over seats in the car, so more than likely there will be 3 of us , priority is for my planes lol.
Next question, does anyone fly helis at the indoor ?
I know, helis :twisted: is a dirty word to me, but my friend might bring one along.
Now for google maps to find out were I am going.

Richard :)
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: rogallo on November 11, 2009, 10:31:26 AM: Helis are more than welcome, rubber models too. We are not too fussy, we will be flying in slots on the day according to model size and type. if you want the sky to yourself suggest tea and buns and that should keep you going for 5-10 mins.
With regards to directions head for Cork and at the big really big roundabout before the tunnel turn left on the N25 for Rosslare. about 10 mins later you should be at a small roundabout turn left for Middleton town (ignore the first entrance to the town it is a marked sliproad) turn left after pedestrian crossing. at the end of the road T junction turn right. Stop the car at Chadwicks building providers and look up to your right for the Hall.

my phone number is 087 8322791 if you get lost.

See you all Saturday
1.00 pm till 6

Ralph
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Richard Boyd on November 13, 2009, 13:10:40 PM: Thanks Ralph for the directions,
There will be 3 flyers heading down , myself and Matthew and David is the heli man.
We are meeting up in Newry for the 6hr drive ! 6am will come quickly so no beer tonight :wink:
I am really looking forward to meeting up with yourself, Aidan and his dad, plus all the other pilots.

David Heli man video
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/v/UQnkupDpZWA[/youtube]
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Brian on November 13, 2009, 14:25:42 PM: Hi Richard,
From Newry - 4 Hours no more.
It's nearly all motorway now.

Brian
Title: Cork meet
Post by: JohnPearson on November 13, 2009, 23:03:14 PM: Hi Richard

Enjoy the long drive to cork, should be a good trip and a great event. For any body going to this event, Richard, David, and Matthew are three of the top indoor pilots in the U.K. I am the guy on the mic, on the video in the last post of Dave flying his heli, fantastic display, and he can even do the same display in the dark, honest !!

have a great day lads,

johnP
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DaveMc on November 15, 2009, 00:45:56 AM: WOW!! :shock: :D

That was great fun. Thanks to Ralph and the lads for a great day out. Bloody hell this indoor lark is nerve racking. I spent all day trying to muster up the courage just to do a roll and a loop.... mental stuff altogether. Haven't felt my knees knocking while flying for ten years. What a blast.

Aidan thanks for the helpfull advise and the nice chunk missing from my left aileron..... less said about that the better, but the next time i will be after you. :twisted:

Richard, thanks for the help before my first flight. It was great to watch you guys fly. Amazing stuff, especially now that I know just how hard it is to fly indoors.

untill next time

D.
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Richard Boyd on November 15, 2009, 10:49:46 AM: Hi Dave and Ralph and the guys from Cork and beyond,
Thanks so very much for a fantastic days flying ! plus the cakes and tarts were sublime :D
You really do know how to enjoy your indoor flying.
Dave , your flying was fantastic ! I was shocked to see you fly like this at your first attempt ! Well done

Thanks again and I hope to be back down again to visit.

Richard
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Happy Days on November 15, 2009, 11:29:47 AM: Richard,
If you were shocked to see Dave’s flying indoors, you definitely don’t want to see his flying on the slope. It’s absolutely shocking!!! :(

Most other pilots rather hope he’ll take up a different hobby, …….like knitting! (He does know how to make good Buns though :wink: )

(Sorry about that comment Dave,……..I couldn’t resist it. :oops: :oops: No doubt you’ll pay me back :lol: )

Keith
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Richard Boyd on November 15, 2009, 13:48:42 PM: Hi Keith, Daves flying was really good, I hate to think what he will be like with some practise under his belt. :clap:

Richard
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Fred on November 15, 2009, 15:15:21 PM: Guys, any photos / videos to share ? :D
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DaveMc on November 15, 2009, 15:41:20 PM: Cheers Richard, thanks for the moral support.

As for you Kieth, there might be something nasty in your bun the next time we meet on the slope... :twisted: :wink:

Fred no pics from me... sorry dude. Spent the whole time changing underpants... :shock: :shock:

D.
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Happy Days on November 15, 2009, 17:56:35 PM: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Glad you all enjoyed yourselves.

It's harder than it looks, ain't it! :!:

K.
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on November 16, 2009, 14:23:57 PM: That was great day's flying Ralph. I really enjoyed it.
Good bakewell too!

It was good to see the guys from the north - very impressive flying and nice toys! I was very tempted to get a Deluxe off Richard but I resisted.

A super event all around, well done!

I forgot to bring a camera but I'm sure I saw Ralph wandering around with one.....

Aidan
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Brian on November 16, 2009, 19:22:30 PM: Hi Aidan,
Hope Sat,, went ok for you.
Was good to meet you in Kiltealy.
Was a bit of a rush though.
Will we se you again in the near future.

Brian
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: DennisZ on November 19, 2009, 10:11:14 AM: Quote from: "rogallo"
Stop the car at Chadwicks building providers and look up to your right for the Hall.

just for the future reference .
is that the place ?

here (http://maps.google.com/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Ireland+(Swords,+Dublin)&daddr=51.909731,+-8.175384&hl=en&geocode=CRAkHxKZ1NpYFfS6LwMdjB6h_yEaEKaZw0cT2g%3B&mra=pe&mrcr=0&sll=52.69869,-7.19665&sspn=2.473356,4.938354&ie=UTF8&ll=51.909246,-8.17445&spn=0.002459,0.004823&t=h&z=18)
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Brian on November 19, 2009, 10:17:05 AM: Hi Guys,
It's not looking good for the photos or videos !!!

Brian
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Aidan on November 19, 2009, 12:43:15 PM: Quote from: "Brian"
Hi Aidan,
Hope Sat,, went ok for you.
Was good to meet you in Kiltealy.
Was a bit of a rush though.
Will we se you again in the near future.

Brian

Hi Brian,

Yeah, it was good to get over and meet you. that's a superb hall you've got there. I won't be over this week. Not sure about next week yet.

Aidan
Title: Some Pics
Post by: DaveMc on November 20, 2009, 22:04:00 PM: A few pics from my phone camera, I was hoping somebody would post some good shots from a real camera.

Can you spot the plane?

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/DaveMc/Indoor1.jpg)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/DaveMc/indoor3.jpg)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/DaveMc/indoor4.jpg)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/DaveMc/indoor5.jpg)

Well that is all i got, did not spend time taking photos unfortunately.. too busy using up all of ralphs lipo packs heh heh....thanks for that ralph. :D

D.
Title: indoor pics
Post by: bearpjk on November 22, 2009, 13:44:01 PM: Hi guys , my son matt & I were at the indoor meet as spectators, but wished we had brought something to fly as well, great venue & good fun.

Heres a couple of pics, quality not that great , but hey :D

Hope this works

Peter K

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/bearpjk/resizeIMG_0046.jpg)
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/bearpjk/resizeIMG_0051.jpg)
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/bearpjk/resizeIMG_0052.jpg)
(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/bearpjk/resizeIMG_0057.jpg)
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Richard Boyd on November 24, 2009, 12:15:40 PM: My apologies for the late reply to this post !!!
My camera was playing up on the day I visited you , silly me forgot to put in the flash card lol
Age is a terrible thing.
Matthew sent me a few pictures that his dad took and here are a few,

Richard

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10256.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10260.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10261.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10264.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10266.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10272.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10282.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10278.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10281.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10300.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10340.JPG)

(http://www.gliderireland.net/forum/images/uploads/Richard%20Boyd/SDC10338.JPG)
Title: CMAC indoor Fly in
Post by: Fred on November 24, 2009, 12:26:58 PM: Very good ! :clap:

Thanks guys for sharing your photos ! :D