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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2011, 21:52:55 PM »
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Hope nothing too serious  :(
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« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2011, 22:23:30 PM »
No, nothing to serious Fred. Hopefully I will make next years event. Do you know where it might be?

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« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2011, 22:24:28 PM »
Yep  :mrgreen:  :-$
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« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2011, 22:52:56 PM »
Is it near by?  :D  :D  :D

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2011, 23:49:06 PM »
sorry to hear you won't be going alan, i know you were looking forward to it.

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« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2011, 18:36:43 PM »
Hi Gerry. Well the good thing is I'll have the time to get some more gliders built for the next Retroplane. From what I learned from Retroplane 2010 in the Wasserkuppe and from tountinna last weekend is that it is a good idea to have a light weight scale glider for light conditions.

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« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2011, 19:36:27 PM »
I’ve always understood that it doesn’t really matter what the overall weight of the plane is, what is important is the wing loading. The less weight each square meter of wing surface has to support, the more chance of the plane flying in low lift conditions.

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« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2011, 20:21:51 PM »
Have to disagree k, all you need are a big set of liathroidi! and a bit of experience
Aint that right Frank?

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« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2011, 20:48:51 PM »
Liathroidi!
I’d never heard of the word. :?:  

I  looked it up in my big Oxford dictionary,…………no such thing! :!:

Checked out Wikipedia = No go there either. :!:  :!:

Finally, Google gave me the answer. :roll:

So, is that how you manage to fly in light conditions Ralph?
(You're rude! :oops: )

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« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2011, 21:19:40 PM »
i'm not so sure frank, no matter how big the liathroidi are, you still need plenty of huffn and puffn to keep it up !!!

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« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2011, 07:48:20 AM »
Ah now gentlemen you forgot that I also mentioned experience. Ger made two attempts to fly the K13 while there was little wind but a good chance of lift. Now the K13 is not light but yes it is a reasonable lightweight when it comes to scale vintage gliders.
Alan what I am saying is that the K8 (your one ) is probably as lightweight(see keiths def) as vintage gliders get and I think that learning to scratch is what you need to practice ( Oh no another scolding coming here methinks!)
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« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2011, 10:09:11 AM »
Actual Ralph. Me and Ger compared the weights of our gliders and despite his been slightly bigger than mine (4m wingspan compared to my 3.75m) mine was heavier than his (thus heavier wing loading). So if Ger could not keep his K13 up I would have had no chance in keeping my K8 up. But I think you are right I do need practice scratching in light lift.

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« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2011, 18:29:09 PM »
At the end of the day wing loading is, in my humble opinion, a bit overrated when it comes to light conditions.  Sure, you don't want HEAVY, but efficiency of the airframe and, as Ralph says, experience may be more important.  You will see less experienced pilots sometimes hang too much on their "up" elevators and slow the models down a bit too much, in the belief that "floating" is the way to fly in very light conditions.  It does depend on the plane of course, but generally a glider likes to be trimmed for a good speed, this lets it "run" to get a good flow of air over the lifting surfaces of the wings (particularly when searching for lift).  But (as Ralph also said), it can require over-sized cahoonas to do that with a big scalie you have invested years of your time building...
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« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2011, 19:40:45 PM »
I agree about having an efficient airframe. No point in having a light wing loading if you have a draggy airframe.

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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2011, 08:49:13 AM »
Another great Retroplane!
And a good Irish representation  :clap:
A quick photo with Les, Ralph, Ger, Kevin, myself and a few machines we brought to the event.



Base camp, with the Irish colours!



And more to come!  :D
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