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Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: rogallo on August 23, 2008, 13:05:20 PM
Lads, maybe I am not looking hard enough but are we still on for the 7th Sept, we need to book our digs?
Joe, Fred????
Cheers
Ralph
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on August 23, 2008, 16:42:14 PM
Hi Ralph,

Was going to post a remainder for the event !
Sorry, really busy these days / month / year  :!:  :( , A bit late on that one !

So, we are still going ahead for Mt Leinster, no crazy/noisy Frenchies this time !  :D
I'll post more information a bit later.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on August 23, 2008, 20:43:13 PM
Hiya Ralph
Yeah guess we are still on. That date was put in as a TBC(to be confirmed) at the time. Like Fred I have been so busy this summer that it kinda went on the back burner.
Many of you lads into coming up??
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Alan_Perse on August 23, 2008, 21:22:25 PM
Dame I'm going to be in the south of France on the 7th. Another time I guess
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Ron on August 24, 2008, 08:18:02 AM
And I'm going to be in the UK visiting Grandchildren.

Must find some excuse to fly at Mt. L.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: rogallo on August 24, 2008, 11:07:35 AM
Les, Jack and I are going to travel, with a few more stragglers if we can persuade them.
We are thinking about going up on the sat and sunday, any takers?

Ralph
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Peter on August 27, 2008, 22:39:33 PM
I'll probably do either the Saturday or Sunday - which ever looks best weather wise.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: cvanscho on August 28, 2008, 14:29:28 PM
I want to come, but Saturday morning I'm flying full-size at Kilkenny (unless they cancel again).  So I guess I can come across after that.  Maybe I should stay over Saturday?
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on August 30, 2008, 22:14:26 PM
Hello all. So looks like we have a good few coming next weekend. As well as your crew Ralph, we have Gerry Buckley and a couple from the Shannon  club coming on Sunday and a few of us on the east coast. Not a bad number. Lets keep the fingers crossed now for good weather. Will contact all and post here on Thursday with a forecast update. I am around all weekend so can and will fly Saturday and Sunday. Let us know your plans Ralph so we can meet up.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on August 31, 2008, 19:52:39 PM
Hi,

I'll be in for Saturday and sunday too !

Saturday morning will be for the campsite visit for Retroplane in Kilmuckridge (everybody's welcome !) and then, flying.
Will have to leave relatively early as I am in baby's duty.


Sunday, on site at 9.30ish am !
Fingers crossed for a good decent weather now !

See you all there, but stay tuned for information about the weather !
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: rogallo on September 01, 2008, 14:44:35 PM
Yes les and I are going to be up on sat afternoon and stay sat nite.
Will fly the sunday aswell
See you there
Ralph
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: error404 on September 01, 2008, 14:54:18 PM
I will be there either Saturday or Sunday. See you there nice and early! :D
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 02, 2008, 21:32:01 PM
So I guess we just meet at Nine Stones carpark. This is the carpark in front of the gate that leads up to the transmitter. Looks like this will be the slope we will fly if the forecast is right. They are saying north winds at the moment. Hope they are right, as the north is probably the best slope. I will aim to be up there from about 10:30am Saturday and Sunday morning

For those that don't know here are the directions.

Firstly head for Bunclody.
Coming from the north (Carlow direction): Take the right just before entering Bunclody town centre. Sign-posted Mt Leinster (handy I know!) stay on that road for about 10km until you see a left turn sign-posted for Mt Leinster (very handy again) this will take you around the side of the bowl and up to the carpark at "Nine Stones"

Coming from the south (Enniscorthy direction): head through Bunclody town centre and after take the left signed for Mt Leinster then follow the above directions


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Follow the road marked in green.
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Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 03, 2008, 12:33:10 PM
So far, the weather is looking not too bad !
Fingers crossed !
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 04, 2008, 09:01:46 AM
Weather update

So far, all looking not too bad !

Saturday big Northely wind  with possibilities of some small showers...Bring the heavy stuff ! And the N slope is certainly one of the best you can find ! Bring some plastic covers (canvas?) to be on the safe side if you have one...

Sunday, looks like a much better day, but lighter winds (Still Northerly  :D )
Bring some floaters, just in case, but the dynamic on the N slope is really good.

Sound like a good week end to me !  :D

I'll be at around 10.30 am in Kilmukridge to visit the campsite for next year Retroplane, if some of you want to join us to have a look...
Then, heading for the slope !  :D
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 04, 2008, 10:05:57 AM
I was intending to be at the N.I. Airshow this weekend, but my "other 'alf" doesn't want to go now, saying it would be too cold facing the sea in a north wind, so I might pop down to Mt L. and annoy you lot on Sunday :) !

B.T.W. anyone for a spot of combat .........Tally-Ho!

K.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 04, 2008, 10:52:25 AM
Cool !
I'll have the P51D for combat !  :twisted:  :twisted:  :twisted:
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 04, 2008, 11:04:22 AM
Okay Fred, but you must let me win, 'coz I'm only a youngster :wink:
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 04, 2008, 22:53:16 PM
Weather not looking too bad so far. Still as Fred said above. I will post an update tomorrow afternoon.
It will be now be 11:30/12:00 for me on Sat. Will hope to be there earlier on Sunday.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 04, 2008, 23:19:52 PM
Slight change of plan for me: ( : SHE, (who must be obeyed) has just informed me that WE are going out on Sunday. (She says she wants to go somewhere she's never been before. I suggested the kitchen.............The idea didn't go down very well :oops: )

So I'll be up there on Saturday pm. Be afraid Fred, be very afraid!  :twisted:

K.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: cvanscho on September 05, 2008, 12:05:20 PM
Change of plan for me too:  my full-size gliding Saturday at Kilkenny has been cancelled/postponed (surprise, surprise!).  

However, the weather for Saturday seems to be deteriorating all the time, maybe I'll drive through not so early on Saturday, with the main goal to be at the slope nice and early Sunday..
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 05, 2008, 21:38:03 PM
See ya all over the weekend. My number is 086 6032598 if anyone is in need of info or direction.
Back to charging batteries now!
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 07, 2008, 21:01:30 PM
Well that was good fun wasn't it! And so nice to meet up with so many like minded flyers. :D

I have to say that Saturday was my type of flying. Give flight controll box, a combat wing and a force 8 gale and I'm be pretty close to heaven. Sunday's lighter conditions posed a very different challange. Maybe a bit too genteel for my rather clumsy abilities.
Many thanks for the words of encouragement I recieved. (The insults from Joe I just treat with the contempt they deserve :wink: )

So,.....when's the next one???

K
Title: Photos
Post by: error404 on September 08, 2008, 14:41:14 PM
Just a few photos from yesterday  :D

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Looking forward to the next get together!

Anthony
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 08, 2008, 21:28:25 PM
Thanks for posting the photos Anthony. Now that was a good weekends flying in my book. Thanks to all for coming along. Great to have so many people and gliders at Mt Leinster. Looking forward to the next one. Maybe Limerick next time? I heard talk of something down there in the next couple of months?  :wink:
It's my way of encouragement really Keith!  :?  :wink:
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 08, 2008, 22:15:00 PM
Yes, good pictures Anthony. I recon you understand a bit about photography, well done.

Encouragement? Joe :shock:  Does that mean I can expect more of the same in future? (Heaven help me!)

K.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 09, 2008, 08:47:39 AM
Well guys, same as Joe ! Thanks a lot for coming, once again, a real pleasure to meet / fly with you all !
We were really lucky with the weather + lots of aeronautic activities on the site ! Perfect week end !

Here are a few photos, sorry, no videos from me this time !

Saturday :

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Full cars !  :D  Always a good sign !

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And finally, after 8 years... First flight of Les Mini Milan !  :clap:

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And some car battery fixing on the slope...
Look at Ralph, did almost everything, Les being the assistant  :P  :P  :mrgreen:

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Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 09, 2008, 08:54:02 AM
Sunday

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Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: cvanscho on September 09, 2008, 11:59:38 AM
Great pics, guys!

Yes, I want to add my thanks to all who helped organise this event!  Great craic all round, and a great bunch of guys!

Seems though, my planes don't like sharing the sky with other models..  The only time I seem to get control glitches is when I attend a fly-in...  Maybe there's a message for me there... :?:

Just one small fly in the oitment from my point of view:  I found that power models doing 3D stuff in front of the flying line very distracting and annoying.  I know it's a free world - anyone has the right to do that if that is their inclination.  It is just my personal view that when a bunch of glider guiders organise to get together and enjoy their (mostly) silent machines, that power-only toys should stay in the car....  If one wants to fly and enjoy such models, one needs only go to your local flying patch (or even fly off your own front lawn) - you don't need to drive half-way across the country to a remote mountain-side to do so...
Title: thank you! Great day out
Post by: DaveMc on September 09, 2008, 16:01:21 PM
Hi,

Thanks a mill for organising a great day out. How much did it cost to have the nice weather delivered?
Mt Leinster is a beautifull place. We will come again for sure.

I just joined your forum today on the back of meeting you guys on sunday. I posted a thank you in the gliding forum but i suppose I should have posted it here. Anyway I don't use inet forums generally so it took me a few hours to find my way around.

Nice pics Fred, you are a bit sneaky with that camera, I was not aware you were going around taking photos to put on this site. Nice job.

Thanks Joe for your warm welcome.

Ralph next time I will bring buns... :wink:

Cheers
D.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 09, 2008, 16:31:58 PM
Quote from: "cvanscho"

Just one small fly in the oitment from my point of view:  I found that power models doing 3D stuff in front of the flying line very distracting and annoying.  I know it's a free world - anyone has the right to do that if that is their inclination.  It is just my personal view that when a bunch of glider guiders organise to get together and enjoy their (mostly) silent machines, that power-only toys should stay in the car....  If one wants to fly and enjoy such models, one needs only go to your local flying patch (or even fly off your own front lawn) - you don't need to drive half-way across the country to a remote mountain-side to do so...


The saying "People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones" springs to mind here.

Or in other words.

I don't have a problem with people flying electric gliders or small electric planes at the slope, especially in the conditions we had on Sunday. The idea here is to get people out and flying, enjoying themselves and having a bit of fun. We all have different aspects of modeling we are drawn to.
Perhaps a little more tolerance toward one's fellow flyer is needed here?. Something that has been afforded you on more than one occasion.

Thats my two cent worth anyway!
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 09, 2008, 19:30:26 PM
Hi Dave, and welcome to the party! :clap:

A word of caution however; Whilst most of the guys on this forum are fine upstanding members of society, there are a couple who are,........how shall I put it,.....of rather less savoury characters. (I'll whisper their names in your ear when I meet you :wink: )

Very glad you've decided upon the civilized way of model flying and not those noisy, smelly, oily things they call IC engines. You're obviously a man of great sense :)

I look forward to meeting you at the next get together.


Keith

Oh,......by the way. If you're going to bring some buns for Ralph, could you bring some chocy biscuits for me please? Yumy yum yums! :D
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 09, 2008, 22:09:21 PM
Thanks for coming along Dave. Great to have yourself and Gerry over for the day. Yeah, we spent the budget on the Sun and clear skies and ran out of cash for the wind. We did the opposite on Saturday. We'll spread it around a bit more next time.
I have a bit of a thing for the chocolate croissant Dave if ya have any of those  :D
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: cvanscho on September 09, 2008, 23:17:10 PM
Quote from: "joe"
Quote from: "cvanscho"

Just one small fly in the oitment from my point of view:  I found that power models doing 3D stuff in front of the flying line very distracting and annoying.  I know it's a free world - anyone has the right to do that if that is their inclination.  It is just my personal view that when a bunch of glider guiders organise to get together and enjoy their (mostly) silent machines, that power-only toys should stay in the car....  If one wants to fly and enjoy such models, one needs only go to your local flying patch (or even fly off your own front lawn) - you don't need to drive half-way across the country to a remote mountain-side to do so...


The saying "People in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones" springs to mind here.

Or in other words.

I don't have a problem with people flying electric gliders or small electric planes at the slope, especially in the conditions we had on Sunday. The idea here is to get people out and flying, enjoying themselves and having a bit of fun. We all have different aspects of modeling we are drawn to.
Perhaps a little more tolerance toward one's fellow flyer is needed here?. Something that has been afforded you on more than one occasion.

Thats my two cent worth anyway!
Joe, I was expressing an opinion that I still believe is as valid as anyone else's.  It is unfortunate that you see fit to respond with a personal attack which I believe is most unfortunate, and un-called for.  

I would like to point out the following:

1.  I was not talking about electric gliders.  Yes, I have one too, and I use the power system to save the plane when lift dies.  That is a very different scenario to buzzing and hovering back and forth ("3D stuff") right in front of glider flyers who are trying to concentrate on often quite distant planes.

2.  I enjoy other sorts of RC as well.  I don't bring my heli or Stryker etc. to glider fly-ins.

3.  I would be the first to admit that my actions have been a PITA at meetings, and I unreservedly apologise for that.  BUT, in my defence, the "events" have all been because of a lack of skill and experience (I am particularly not used to sharing the sky and landing area with other planes and flyers, and this makes me considerably nervous).  In other words, I don't believe that any of my actions that required so much "tolerance" on the part of others, can be accused of being premeditated or deliberate.  I was immediately very much aware of, and deeply embarassed by my "tolerance-needing" accidents.  I think I tried to apologise to all.  Clearly that is totally different to the issue I was commenting on in my post...  

4.  I'm deeply aware that my flying at fly-ins has been bad enough at times to get myself labelled as a "hazard", and maybe even be banned from such events.  My response would be that that does not show a lot of tolerance towards those who clearly need more coaching and experience.  However, should that come to pass, I would expect it to be taken care of outside of a public forum environment, and that it would be based on specific charges, not the vague, undefined accusations you are inferring.

4.  This is, after all, a: "forum", where opinions are (supposed to be) expressed and debated.  I made it clear in my comments that I was expressing only my own, personal opinion.  If you do not agree with me, that is fine, but you need to respect my right to an opinion as well.  Turning this into a personal attack (on behalf, it seems, of more people than just yourself) is disrespectful, and not, I believe, appropriate behaviour for a forum.

5.  I think I may have totally misunderstood the reason for the ISR fly-ins.  I did not realise it was all about "getting people out and flying", etc.  That seems to imply any sort of RC plane.  I thought it was about flying slope gliders.  My mistake.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 10, 2008, 00:12:03 AM
Gentlemen,..........there is an old poem called Desiderata. (Look it up in Wikepeadia, or Google it.)

It's a reflection upon the meaning of life, the universe, and everything.

In it, it acknowledges that we are all different. That we all aspire to different goals, have different fears, and see different meanings in things.

It also suggests that we, "Speak our thruths quietly and clearly, and listen to others"

That's my two cents worth.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: cvanscho on September 10, 2008, 03:46:20 AM
"Go placidly amid the noise and confusion..."..  Good call that, Keith (and I did that from memory - I'm 53, so Desiderata posters - and the song - was very much part of my youth.. :D )!
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 10, 2008, 08:42:01 AM
No Chris you have not misunderstood the reason for the fly-ins. They are essentially slope(glider) meetings. My point is that, it is difficult to encourage people to come out and fly and take part. If someone makes the effort to come to a meeting and find the gliders they have are not suitable for the conditions I for one am happy enough that they fly small electrics. This is just my own feeling on the matter. I do not want these people to be put off coming again next time when perhaps the glider they do have will work for the conditions.
This is what i should have said.

My earlier comments (and they are my own views only) were geared toward making the above point only. I was perhaps a little heavy handed. They were not intended was a personnel attack on yourself.

I understand entirely the learning process involved when getting used to flying with other people and having 4/5 gliders in the air at once is a nerve-racking experience in the beginning . I have gone through and am still going through the process myself. The only way of course is to get out there and fly and learn from the experience and any "events" we have along the way (of which we all have a few).

What i am saying is "Live and let Live"
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 10, 2008, 10:38:43 AM
Hello there  :D

Dave, welcome to the forum ! Really nice to see you guys and share some thermals with you !  :D
And I'm up for any sort of cakes !  :P  The ones at the Nationals were delicious !  :D
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 10, 2008, 11:22:01 AM
And if I can join the debate... :wink:

Quote

3. I would be the first to admit that my actions have been a PITA at meetings, and I unreservedly apologise for that. BUT, in my defence, the "events" have all been because of a lack of skill and experience (I am particularly not used to sharing the sky and landing area with other planes and flyers, and this makes me considerably nervous). In other words, I don't believe that any of my actions that required so much "tolerance" on the part of others, can be accused of being premeditated or deliberate. I was immediately very much aware of, and deeply embarassed by my "tolerance-needing" accidents. I think I tried to apologise to all. Clearly that is totally different to the issue I was commenting on in my post...
4. I'm deeply aware that my flying at fly-ins has been bad enough at times to get myself labelled as a "hazard", and maybe even be banned from such events. My response would be that that does not show a lot of tolerance towards those who clearly need more coaching and experience. However, should that come to pass, I would expect it to be taken care of outside of a public forum environment, and that it would be based on specific charges, not the vague, undefined accusations you are inferring.


My first thought on this was that "flying alone" all the time is not a good excuse to jeopardise safety of others during events, even if I understand the bad habits things (and not only for you, but in a general sense...)

Now, I'm going to do positive cristism, because after all, it's just a hobby.

Chris, I think, reading your comments, you know (and I think you must be brave to admit it ! Not easy!) you have a lot of progress to do. To be honest, I can see that too when I see you flying, you don't need a long time to understand that the glider is in control of it's destiny :D  But last week end, I saw a really good landing you've made, and maybe the best one I saw from you  :clap:

Another honest thing, in my mind, you are categorised as a "dangerous pilot". By that, I mean when you have a glider in the air, you never know where the machine is going to end up.  As I said earlier, I see the glider being more in control than the pilot (and believe me, 24 years in the thing, saw that a lot already...). But that don't mean that is never going to change (practice practice !  :wink: )...

Now, one thing I keep asking myself, and I'm dead serious on that one... Why do you keep flying mouldies ? I know, it's cool, look good etc etc, but why, for a little while,  not to try to go back to basics ? No shame on that IMO (I fly with a easyglider, 2 ch HI Fly etc etc too !)
I think you have an Easyglider ? Why not keep flying it, learn / train to have precise flying path, landings, learn how to use the rudder, cinetic energy of the glider etc etc... Of course, I would be happy to help (you and others if they want to join of course ! Actually, can be a good idea to have a solep soaring/glider workshop  :?: ). Skills and experience don't fall from the sky (not like gliders  :P )

You can't pretend doing F3F stuff or aerobatics without having the basics right. You can try and try, that will not work ! Talking a lot on forums is one thing, doing the actual things right in a slope, is another (That's what I keep saying to a lot of guys, stop theorising, practice !  :wink: ) It's a shame, because you are able to do really good stuff (the landing I saw  :clap: ) and in the mean time, be able to have a row of pilots moving back from the slope while you are flying...


I hope you will see all the above as positive criticism (They are! In bad English, but they are!) And if you need any help/advice, you know where to ask !  :D
And note that the above comments are good for everybody...

My 1 euro and 2 cents worth  :wink:
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 10, 2008, 12:12:02 PM
Hi Fred,

I got about 20 minutes worth of video footage at the Glid In. But a combination of poor light (on Saturday), cheap camcorder (100euro 'by it now' on ebay) and the fact that I'm a terrible cameraman :oops:  meant that only a couple of minutes are usable. :cry:  

Oh, give me the days of wind up 8mm film camera's. These modern camcorders are far too testicle for me. :)


Anyway, I've been trying to up load it to the forum but I can't.

So, what should I do with it? (No rude comments from Joe please!)

K.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 10, 2008, 12:15:40 PM
:lol:  :lol:

Keith, you can send me the video if you want. I'll put it on my server and put the link here.

Fred@gliderireland.net

Is the original footage big ? Just to see if you can send it to me... :?:

True, I took some photos but no videos  :oops:
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 10, 2008, 12:20:55 PM
By the way, totally out of context, but all ISR members can have a mail address like  yourname@gliderireland.net (with pop3, smtp and redirection + webmail...) and space in my server ( http:// whateveryouwant.gliderireland.net)

Just ask, and I'll give you the details !  :D
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 10, 2008, 15:19:28 PM
Thanks to Keith, here is a video of the week end !
With some Pink Floyd... Keith, a man of great taste !  :D  :D

All here : http://www.gliderireland.net/images/videos/isrsept08.wmv

~ 40 Mb  (I can try to make it smaller for the ones with slower connections)

Very good video Keith !  :clap:
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: joe on September 10, 2008, 15:31:59 PM
Rude me!  :?:  :?
I was quite impressed with the ASH video you sent to me Keith. Even liked the music! I'm pretty useless with a camera as Fred will tell you.
Will try to upload that ASH video when I get a chance to compress it a bit.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 10, 2008, 15:49:53 PM
ASH video ? Where ??  :D

Keith, do you have one of the Wasabi ?  :D  I look almost good with those 4 points rolls !  :lol:
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Happy Days on September 10, 2008, 16:05:41 PM
Well ,.......if Joe is in agreement I'll stream his Ash video to you Fred, as I did the last one.

Yes your 4 point rolls were very good Fred. I've tried doing them with my powered plane but I find I have to start very high, otherwise the plane gets too near the ground very quickly!!! :oops:

K.
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 10, 2008, 17:33:49 PM
Hi Keith, sorry, just home !
Skype is on, any time  :D

For the roll, you need to use your rudder when the machine is on its side. Basically the rudder act as an elevator during this short moment of time  :)
Good exercise !  :D
Rudder on a plane is not an option ! Use it as much as possible ! Even more important in a glider !
Title: ISR Flyin
Post by: David Kelly on September 12, 2008, 08:38:52 AM
Ahh Lads,
I thought the flyin was this weekend coming 13-14th. Fred thats your fault, I'm blaming you :x

Looks like you had a great weekend flying and I'm sorry I missed it. Will have to keep a closer eye on the forum :!: . Enjoyed the video and the photos.

David
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Fred on September 15, 2008, 23:29:38 PM
:oops:  God David, did I gave you a wrong date for the meeting ??  :?:
I was a bit surprised not to see you !  :(
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Aidan on September 19, 2008, 16:40:54 PM
Hello everyone,

I haven't checked in here for a while.
I really enjoyed Mt. Leinster on the Sunday. Pity there wasn't a little more wind but great fun all the same.

Super pictures Anthony and Fred!

Aidan
Title: Mount Leinster Sept 08 - ISR Glide-In
Post by: Aidan on September 19, 2008, 16:59:57 PM
Quote from: "cvanscho"
...Just one small fly in the oitment from my point of view:  I found that power models doing 3D stuff in front of the flying line very distracting and annoying.  I know it's a free world - anyone has the right to do that if that is their inclination.  It is just my personal view that when a bunch of glider guiders organise to get together and enjoy their (mostly) silent machines, that power-only toys should stay in the car....  If one wants to fly and enjoy such models, one needs only go to your local flying patch (or even fly off your own front lawn) - you don't need to drive half-way across the country to a remote mountain-side to do so...

Chris,

Obviously you're referring to me.
I didn't realise I was upsetting anyone.
I only flew that plane after the wind had died to almost nothing and glider flying had almost stopped. If I remember correctly I even asked a couple of those at the flight line if they minded before I flew. Had I known anyone objected I would have thought again. I came to fly gliders but having seen the forecast for very light wind I brought an electric too.

You seem to be making an awfully big deal about this considering we're talking about a very quiet 4oz plane that was airbourne for no more than 10 minutes during a period of almost dead calm.
In future feel free to let me know if I'm breaking a point of etiquette and I'll refrain from doing it.

Aidan