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Aidan

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« on: September 22, 2008, 23:05:03 PM »
Is anyone interested in trying some F3P flying this winter and maybe some relaxed competitions. We could always experiment with some indoor pylon racing or combat on the side :lol:.

As some of you may know, the guys in Lisburn and Dungannon ran a couple of very enjoyable and well attended indoor aerobatics competitions last season. I'm sure they'll be building on that this season and it would be great to get something similar started further south. Myself and a couple of others travelled to the 2 events last year and had a great time.
No previous RC competition experience required!

F3P
F3P is the indoor equivalent of F3A but a lot cheaper and in my opinion a lot more fun and a great way to improve your flying. It can be flown in a typical 1 basketball court / 4 badminton court sports hall.

The Planes
I've attached a few pictures below to give an idea of the sort of planes used. They're typically built much like a Shockflyer from 3mm depron sheet and carbon rods. They're similar to Shockflyers in size but the purpose designed planes are lighter and more rigid. Most purpose designed planes are monoplanes weighing between about 110g and 140g which makes them nice and slow and very easy to manoeuver indoors. Biplanes are sometimes heavier, up to around 200g. You could use one of the Ikarus Shockflyer's to start off with but try and keep it light.
I really like the way these planes fly and I reckon the purpose designed planes are worth a try even if you have no interest in competitions.

There are plenty kits available for excellent designs like the Clik, Nexus and Mercury. Alternatively you can build from a plan or design your own with a little depron and carbon rod. I can point you in the direction of kits, plans or materials. Just ask!
I might put together some basic kits for my own "Index 3" design if anyone's interested.

The bits and pieces
A typical setup uses a motor weighing less than 20g, 3 servos each around 5g and a 2 cell battery around 350mAh capacity.
This size gear has gotten a lot cheaper and more easily available over the last year or so. If you've already flown Shockflyers you probably have suitable radio gear. You'll probably want a lighter motor and maybe lighter cells. I'm using a Hacker A10-15s that cost about €30 in my plane. There are suitable options from as little as €8 up to exotic stuff around €100. Batteries are also relatively inexpensive at about €12 for a good pack.
If you're interested and need help picking equipment let me know and I can give you a hand.

The Events
There are two disciplines at most events, F3P and Aeromusical.

F3P
F3P consists of flying a prescribed aerobatic schedule. It comes in 3 flavours from a pretty straight forward F3P-C schedule to the very difficult F3P-A schedule.
The guys in the north also ran a "Basic" schedule last year which was very successful and could be flown without a purpose built plane.
If we do run any events this year I'd suggest we forget the F3P-A schedule and just do Basic and F3P-C or if enough are interested we could run F3P-B too.

Aeromusical
This is a 2 minute freestyle flight to music. You can use the same planes although I think the rules allow Shockflyers, IFOs or almost anything else to be used too!

I think myself, Eanna and Stu are definitely up for it and I'm hoping Ralph can rally some support down his neck of the woods :wink: . Joe, Fred, Paul, could you be tempted? Anyone else?

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« Reply #1 on: September 23, 2008, 03:19:23 AM »
That sounds great!
At home i have a GP Reflections already built.



That is getting dust due the lack of proper place to fly it.
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« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2008, 21:56:05 PM »
No updates on this?
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2009, 11:23:06 AM »
Hi Aidan,
I know this is old now but its never too late.
Can you post detail of the 'B' & 'C' schedules.

Brian
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2009, 14:17:38 PM »
Hi Brian,

The F3P-A schedule is the only official FAI schedule. The B and C are realistic for most of us. I find the F3P-C plenty challenging.
Not being official schedules they may be changed from one competition to another.

I just had a quick look on the F3P-uk.org.uk site and found their F3P-B and C schedules:
http://www.f3p-uk.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/B-2009-Nov1.pdf
http://www.f3p-uk.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/c-2009.pdf

I haven't been paying much attention to the schedules for the last year so I don't know how these compare with the schedules being used elsewhere in Europe.

F3P-C certainly looks tricky enough to keep me busy. It's definitely harder than the F3P-C used in the NI competitions in '07/'08 an I had enough trouble with that!
If you're interested in F3P it might be worth taking a look at the F3P forum on RCGroups.com:  http://www.rcgroups.com/indoor-pattern-f3p-373/
If you do, keep an eye out for Jurgen Helig. He's a font of information on all things European F3P. I'm sure Richard Boyd will be able to give you better info on this too. He may even have some links for schedules etc, from his http://www.expressfly.org.uk site but I didn't spot them at first glance.

Richard or anyone else - feel free to correct me if any of that's not right!

Aidan

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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2009, 15:52:51 PM »
Hi,

For info, I don't know why I have that in my PC, but here is the unknown schedule from this year F3P German Nationals...

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